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  1. CanadianLori

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    Oh heavens, no! We get our bins for free. And you can buy them at the DIY store too if you want. I go to the dump (landfill) at least once a year because I have things that are not accepted at the kerb. Cconstruction materials like wall board, concrete and sod won't be collected so I load up the van and I take them the dump. It usually costs about $10 a visit to unload a van full - about 5 euros or 6 pounds. There is a depot at this facility which you can stop in to get replacement bins, for free. Yes, some people can be dirty but in my neighbourhood, we are all single detached homes and there is a short distance between bins at the kerb. Switching them would be fairly obvious so no one does it! I put a new biodegradable liner in my food waste bin every week. And hose out the bin as well. I absolutely hate lice and will have none of that here!
     
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      It is all too easy to cry "rape" or "abuse" these days and then leave the burden of proof on the supposed perpetrator. It can ruin reputations when unfounded.

      Re Greg Wallace, one report on the beeb said he dropped his trousers in front of one woman and he had no undies on. When reported to a member of the production staff their response was "you're an adult and he's not Jimmy Saville". One of the complaints upheld against him was being in a state of undress.

      Clearly the BBC needs to tighten up in-house staff training as well as contracts and conditions for externally hired staff and no concessions for supposed celebrities. They seem to be losing their grip in other areas too and are in danger of losing the trust of their public.
       
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        All Greg has to do is announce that he's a woman now and the BBC will have him back like a shot.
         
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          I don't know much about the story because I'm not a fan of anything the chap has ever been on but I did read that it wasn't the bbc that held the enquiry, rather a private law firm hired by the production company (an independent company from the beeb).
          It was mentioned yesterday that he apparently, or was accused of, kissed a ladies forehead and pulled his trousers down. I think most of the rest was just smutty jokes. I don't know how you prove such things and I'm sure in the court of law the burden of proof would need to be far greater.

          Supposedly the beed is considering its options as a new series of masterchef has already been filmed but if they believe the chap is as bad as they do then money or ratings shouldn't come into it imo.
           
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            OK ... that sounds bad, but was it in his dressing room and she just happened to enter at an inconvenient moment? Did a long shirt cover anything underwear would have? Did he regard it as funny or apologise? And so on. There are lots of ways to make it sound deliberate merely by leaving things out.

            In the context of a TV recording studio set, "being in a state of undress" is going to be a common occurrence. In and of itself, it should not be an issue and the member of the production team it was reported to clearly did not regard it as one.

            @Thevictorian, were kissing the person's forehead and dropping his trousers events that happened together, or at separate times? It certainly sounds worse if reported in a way that implies these were connected.

            I don't think there has been any suggestion the behaviour broke the law, so should it not be an internal employment matter? This sort of behaviour can be stamped out by issuing written warnings and then sacking someone if they persist.
             
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            We’ve just popped out to the local SM and it was raining and 19 degrees. We were not there long ( about 15 mins);and came out to bright hot sunshine and the temperatures had risen to 25! Whaaatt???
             
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              @ViewAhead It's not innocent misunderstandings.

              He was in his dressing room and called in a young production assistant claiming he needed help getting into a black tie outfit, then pushed her onto a sofa and dropped his trousers. No undies. There were other claims about groping, touching and trouser dropping. The enquiry has upheld 45 complaints about inappropriate language and behaviour.

              He apparently recognises his sense of humour and behaviour were at times inappropriate.

              Anybody in a position of power over other people really needs to be respectful of colleagues and especially juniors who may feel unable to defend themselves or complain without damaging their own career. There seems to be an increasing lack of respect and kindness in too many institutions, businesses, government levels.
               
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                Entirely agree with you about power imbalances and respectful behaviour.

                What you describe I would say goes far beyond the "being in a state of undress" or "inappropriate physical contact" descriptors. Pushing someone down onto a sofa, groping, etc, is sexual harassment, as far as I'm concerned, and production staff should have acted immediately when such incidents were reported to them.
                 
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                  The BBC would tell you this is climate change in action. I'd say it's the Great British Summer Weather Lottery! :biggrin:
                   
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                    @ViewAhead it was two different incidents. I'm only going by this article below and the one today.

                    Gregg Wallace: BBC faces dilemma over new series of MasterChef

                    I was just curious what the dilemma was for the bbc? Personally I see no dilemma, either his behaviour was so bad that you can't show it or they think it's a storm in a teacup and they can. I believe anything in between is simply pulling ethics in the direction of money and ratings.
                     
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                      I think the bbc must have someone who's only job is to remove controversial characters from their I player archive.
                       
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                      I've never met Greg Wallace but I don't particularly like him. His silly jokes and comments ( never really amusing ) tended to spoil the In the Factory programmes which were otherwise interesting. I don't watch Master Chef so can't comment on his presentation technique there.
                      As for "inappropriate behaviour" I do remember in the 1980's one man who would often pop into the kitchen at work for a cup of coffee. He would sling his arm over your shoulder and ask how you were. At least 2 women considered this inappropriate - to me it was simply a friendly gesture. Nothing was ever said.
                      Jimmy Saville was a completely different kettle of fish - even if you had no interaction with him personally "creepy" instantly came to mind. The BBC made a disastrous balls up with that issue - mainly because management and editorial staff failed to talk to each other and the RH didn't know what the LH was doing.
                      It is so easy to offend people these days but if GW is really at fault with his behaviour towards others, then yes, dump him and report him to the authorities.
                      Always worth bearing in mind those whose reputations and lives have been ruined by allegations later proved to be entirely false.
                      Sexual and domestic abuse, predation, stalking etc. are as much criminal acts as is murder - proving it one way or another can often be difficult.
                       
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                      On the one hand yes you are quite right, however if you have been raped or sexually assaulted it can be long hard road to get firstly somebody charged and then convicted.
                      Two of my relatives have been raped and neither pursued it as it would have been too traumatic to try and take it through that process
                       
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                        Greg wally always came over as a loud mouth to me, Just wish he could have come up with a better term than"wow" in every sentence during the factory programme.
                        Drove by his house some months ago and there were photographers everywhere.

                        Yes the climate change bandwagon is really being stepped on by the BBC after a few decent summer days, unfortunately they do the same thing when it keeps raining, I find it all a bit stupid, what went wrong last year and the year before?
                        Oh yes it was the hottest year on record, unfortunately it didn't happen here.:biggrin:

                        According to the news today we will all be growing coast redwoods in our gardens, from California.
                        More stupidity, because the coast redwood likes a cool damp foggy climate, and they are already here and have been for years.
                         
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                          The News. And how it is reported. And what to make of it. Here, from yesterday, first the BBC…
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                          And in the Guardian, on the same day, the same topic…

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                          Yer MP can express his/her views, but you can’t, mate. It’s a crazy world.

                          It reminded me of an old postcard I bought about 30 years ago, issued by Amnesty International..

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