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So if I'm understanding this some are dodging the army so they don't even want to fight for their own country which shows the calibre of these people
They leave the woman and children behind because it's not safe for them to travel but it's safe to leave them in some country with nothing as they have spent the money travelling here

 

I think you might want to look at what some of these countries, here you can choose to enlist, some European countries have National Service. Russia uses conscription, but Syria, Afghanistan, a fair few African countries have an army and militias or maybe several armies the choice is join or die, no pay, no accommodation, little or no food except what you can pillage. You cannot support your dependents like that.

These are often left with extended families or maybe they have the vegetable patch to support them.
However as has been said earlier; many of the young single men have no wife or children and any money they earn is sent back to the extended family and to educate siblings.
As I am sure are aware women and children do travel, but with a husband or parents. Unfortunately they are more vulnerable and there are regular instances of children and women being crushed or drowned on crowded boats in the Channel and the Med.
I suppose the question is what is your solution to the problem.

 

My solution would be to stop all housing and only provide tents in secure compounds no money, phones, interpreters, clothes only basic food as I believe France does I sure they aren't leaving France because of war

 

Then what, you still have them here, which is not what you want.
You would need to provide minimal replacement clothing and interpreters as you need to communicate with them.

 

I don't think many would come if the benefits of being here wasn't so good. Why don't they stay in France?

 

Quite right, but you still have a lot here already. These you have to absorb or deport somewhere.
I've never found France a particularly welcoming place and I really wouldn't want to get involved with there riot police.

 

They don't want to stay in France @mac12 because they have been sold a myth about streets paved with gold in the UK, or at least the possibility of working, legally or not, and sending money home plus free health car and a general lack of regulation.

France is very welcoming if you have the right documents and/or can show good reason to be there, especially skills that will add to general prosperity and security. Being community minded is built in to their psyche.

Your vision of tents and only supplying the most basic of needs is pretty basic and smacks of concentration camps. Not decent or humane.

 

Living in tents is better than the homeless people we can see in every town and city
How many go to places such as Saudi and Qatar?
If I wanted to move to another country which one will give me everything like we do these illegals?

 

There is a luxury hotel just a quarter of a mile from here that houses 400 of these boat people. When we walk up to the shops we pass groups of 5 or 6 of them also walking along the pavement. They are fit, healthy young men and I have no idea why they are here. They are often on their mobiles. They are also able to get the bus and wait at the bus stop.

We also have professional beggars at the local shops. They put their sleeping bags in the grit box at night and go home only to return next day to take their position. One has a veteran sign on cardboard. He receives packages from a hoodie. Next minute he is at the cash point drawing money out. These people are constantly moved on, but return. We are told that accommodation is available for them, but they prefer to beg. But people keep giving them money and food, which encourages them.

 

When asked why they want to come to Britain they seem to all say the same things, language, although a lot of them don't speak English


And, it's a good place, I agree they are told way back where they come from which countries treat them the best.

And a lot of them already have family or even mates here.

How you deter them now is anybodies guess unless you get tough with them.

 

How about ... each arrival must be housed with a rich person here, who will be responsible for paying for accommodation, food, etc. So, every City banker would have at least one in their home, the Royals would be obliged to take in 2 for every spare bedroom they have across all their palaces and estates, as would the owner of every mansion, every flat in every swish under-occupied block in London, etc, etc.

The pressure from "on high" to sort it would be so huge, miracles would happen. And quickly.

 

How about people that are pro-immigration housing them at their own cost.

 

Well, we are all housing them at our own cost.

How about anybody who can prove, beyond doubt, that they have no immigrants in their ancestry being exempt from payment? I’d argue that I qualify for a 50% discount because one half of my family were immigrants, driven out of Ireland by a famine that was caused by the British government, Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia, while the other half, with a very distinctive name, are recorded as being English yeoman farmers, cartwrights and foresters back into the late middle ages.

 

I think the difference is in times before social security nets, immigrants did not impose a direct cost on locals when they moved in.

Costs incurred by irregular migration should not come out of general taxation. Where there are housing shortages (ie pretty much everywhere), someone on the housing list should not be bumped downwards to accommodate arrivals.

 

There was the workhouse in “the old days”. That was paid for out of public money. But the conditions were so dire that one of my great great uncles died of TB at the age of three in the Sheffield workhouse, his mother and father having died of other ghastly diseases a year earlier. His burial plot is in the beautiful Rivelin valley, where he can enjoy the clean fresh air and the lovely views that he was denied in life.