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  1. BB3

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    Can anyone identify this rose - or at least the type?
    I bought it in woolworths so that'll tell you how old it is!
    The clumps( I'm sure there's a better term) of flowers are often large. They last for ages even in a vase.
    I would be interested in the type in case there are others in different colours .
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    Anyone got any ideas?
     
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    Google suggested rosa cherry bonica

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      @Pete8 I was going to say that the flowers looked like cherries.
      Thanks so much. I'll look that up.
       
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        @Pete8 . That's definitely the one. It comes in pink,too apparently but I prefer my cherry one . "Highly disease resistant' - I'd certainly agree with that
         
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          Just a little bit of trivia:smile:

          Bred by Alain Meilland (1940) (France, before 2012).
          Introduced in France by Meilland Richardier in 2014 as 'Cherry Bonica'.
          Introduced in United States by Spring Meadow Nursery . in 2014 as 'Oso Easy Double Red'.
          Introduced in Australia by Corporate Roses Pty.Ltd in circa 2017.
          Floribunda.
          Dark red. None / no fragrance. up to 25 petals. Average diameter 3.25". Medium to large, double (17-25 petals), borne mostly solitary, in small clusters, cupped, globular bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
          Bushy. Semi-glossy, medium green foliage. 3 to 7 leaflets.

          Height: 20" to 30" (50 to 75cm). Width: 20" to 32" (50 to 80cm).
          United States - Patent No: PP 26,298 on 12 Jan 2016
          Application No: 13/998,767 on 4 Dec 2013
          The female parent (i.e., the seed parent) was the product of the cross of the `Meinoiral` variety (non-patented in the United States) and `Kortikel` variety (non-patented in the United States). The male parent (i.e., the pollen parent) was the `Radrazz` variety (U.S. Plant Pat. No. 11,836).
          ...The description is based on the observation of 11/2-year-old plants during May while growing outdoors on their own roots at Le Cannet des Maures, Var, France.
          Tetraploid

          seed:Deborah (r) (floribunda,Meilland,1989) x Golden Holstein (floribunda,Kordes 1989
          pollen: Knock Out ®
           
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            Well, I certainly know a lot more about cherry bonica! @wiseowl . Thank you.
             
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              Very unlikely to be 'Cherry Bonica' if you bought it in Woolworths as they closed in 2009, and this rose was not introduced until some years later, and in UK only recently. Also, being a Tetraploid [28 chromosome] rose, the foliage on yours doesn't look right for that one, even though the blooms are similar.
               
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                Good afternoon Tetraploids are just a breeding tool (roses with four sets of chromosomes) are used in breeding programs to create new varieties. Diploids tend to have larger, thicker leaves. They may also have fewer, but larger, flowers. Nothing is certain in the Rose world
                the Cherry Bonica Rose also known as 'Meipeporia' PBR,

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                Sorry to disagree but it's Tetraploid roses that usually have larger thicker and often glossy leaves due to the higher chromosome count. Diploids tend to be of a more simpler nature, such as you see in old fashioned type roses. Tetraploids can often be guessed at by looking at them without microscopic research, most Hybrid Tea roses are tetraploid as it produces large glossy leaves with larger blooms, often with more colourations.

                The leaves on the rose in the picture look more of multiflora origin, especially with the fringed stipules as well.
                 
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                  No worries we shall have to agree to disagree ;) the Rose still needs to be I.Deed:heehee:
                   
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                  Well, I went to a garden centre today and remembered about Meipeporia. There were some sort of similar with that name. I didn't buy. I was just curious.
                  Previous posts have shot over my head. I'll leave you both to it
                   
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                    :heehee::heehee::heehee:
                     
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                      Well it's not just me you're disagreeing with, but Malcolm Manners, Professor of Horticultural Science at Florida Southern College.. who does much research into the ploidy of roses, dna testing and so on.
                      ''Generally, the higher the ploidy level, the stronger will be "gigas" traits -- a tendency to bigger, thicker leaves, thicker (but often shorter) stems, bigger flowers with thicker petals. So most of the big, hefty HT types are tetraploids.''

                      'Cherry Bonica' also has these traits, which one can see with the larger, rounded and shiny foliage.

                      Whatever, I fail to see how it can be this rose, highly bred, expensively produced by a high end breeder and vendor that would want to maximize profit on any new release - therefore not exactly a Woolworths type - when it wasn't released until 2014 in Europe, yet bought in a rather low end retailer apparently some years earlier.
                      Who knows what Woolworths were selling in those days.. probably something unnamed.
                       
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