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  1. Obelix-Vendée

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    No @pete One victim was a 17year old autistic boy they were taking delight in giving a good seeing to and their attitude to women was appalling.

    As for surveys, there are well established ways and means to ensure the people polled are representative by age, sex, race, income, habits depending on what is being surveyed. There are also ways to phrase questions to avoid bias. However, that also means there are ways to skew these things........but as Chanel 4 gets its income from advertising it's surely in their interest to ensure a carefully balanced survey.
     
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      Isn't everyone autistic these days,:biggrin: it seems to be just one of the growing trends.
      people used to be just individuals, or different, now they all have labels and have reasons why we should accept bad behavior.
      Part of the reason why we have over a million inactive young people in the country sapping benefits.
      Probably a lot of the older ones as well.
       
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      The thing I particularly notice is that when a family is featured, the parents must be two distinctly different races, and all the children should look completely different and not like either of them. Big hair is a must too, the type you really wouldn't want to sit behind in the cinema.
       
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        I was querying the data and methodology not the people I'm sure they are all fine upstanding members of the human race.
         
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          Does it really matter what the people in the advert look alike, unless they are selling make up or some form of hair stuff.
          Surely you are more interested in what they say does what they are talking about interest me, if yes, how do I get more information.
           
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          Pete I thought the same as you regarding autism until my partners son and wife had a child with autism and it's not something you can fiddle it's a terrible thing to see how backwards she is
          Saying that I agree regarding benefits she's 4 years old and gets £450 a month but she's not costing her parents anymore than any other child
           
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            Yes, I agree about benefits for autism and ADHD. Families may have some additional expenses, but in general the bulk of the money should go to schools as that is where the resources are needed.

            @shiney, now I know why redheads are popping up in every ad. :biggrin:
             
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              Is anyone doing any research into why lots of kids are being born with autism, allergic to certain things etc.
              Just looking at the TV in the mornings tells me that its all snowballing.
              Every morning they are banging on about special needs for kids, you get the impression its an epidemic.

              Getting back to the original point, why are the police expected to deal with this kind of stuff anyway, if someone is autistic and out there causing problems they need to be in some kind of care home or whatever its called these days.

              I can see that its something that has varying degrees but you cant leave someone out on the streets who is going to cause trouble, get arrested, and use the term autism as an excuse like, oh well, that's ok then.
               
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              The reasons are probably complex, @pete, and definitive "answers" may never be found. That said, things started to spike in the 1990s and have since snowballed, so research needs to look at what changed around that time.
               
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                Well the US "government" has recently announced it's down to pregnant women taking paracetamol (US Tylenol) and also asserted that vaccines should be spaced out to prevent children getting autism.
                I think a lot of the increase is down to changes in diagnosis and definition at one time you had to pretty much non-verbal to be diagnosed as autistic; nowadays it's recognised that is one end of a pretty broad spectrum of symptons.
                There is a genetic factor in it and it's not all down to one gene, but it can be a combination of genes and there are probably also environmental factors as well.
                 
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                  What amazes me is we are now getting adults getting diagnosed, but some of them are well know people who have done pretty well for themselves without any special treatment, just came through the normal schools.

                  I'm not sure anyone is "normal", there is no such thing and if you delve long enough into most people you will find a few things that are not "normal" as such.
                   
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                  I identify as 'normal'.

                  Does that mean I'm anything but.....?
                   
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                    The term Autism was first coined in 1911. Classic autistic syndrome was first described over 50 years ago.

                    I suspect the proliferation of cases we are seeing today has a lot to do with the modern diet and ultra processed foods and/or a lack of variety in foods eaten and a lack of plant fibre. Also, antibiotics have been handed out like sweets for decades and we know they kill good gut bacteria. Many studies have shown that early colonization, mode of delivery, and antibiotic usage significantly affect the gut microbiome and the onset of autism. And then there are all the chemicals prevalent in our environment from man-made materials and even cleaning supplies so it's little wonder tha so many young brains are adversely affected.

                    As with many conditions there is a spectrum of autistic conditions from mild to severe so some just need tolerance and kindness - don't we all - to function fairly normally in society but others need a great deal of help and support, as do their parents but that all needs to be monitored to make sure its is effective and not open to abuse.
                     
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                      I, also, believe that the current diet of a lot of people has a significant effect on their wellbeing.
                       
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                        Well ... having signed the anti-id petition, I have received a gov response. Basically, it says they will introduce this regardless and may even extend it to include everyone over the age of 13.

                        I despair. Big data is going to kill off both privacy and freedoms. The ball has been rolling for a while, but now it is unstoppable. Not too far down the line, the issues created are likely to become frighteningly clear, but it will be too late.
                         
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