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  1. Philippa

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    Trump has stopped all trade with Canada as someone somewhere apparently claimed Ronald Reagan said Tariffs were a bad idea and Mr. T claims it was a lie :wow: He should know I suppose as he Twatters enough of them.
     
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      When he’s finished tearing down the East Wing he’ll probably start on Ontario.
       
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        Trump is totally unhinged. Talk about 'a loose cannon'. He could become a loose nuclear bomb. Scary.
         
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          We should be thankful he is nearly 80 and not a stripling of 60 or so. ;)
           
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            Trade negotiations .... he was not doing any deals anyway so wet raspberry to him. :paladin: Big orange has a tantrum when we give him elbows up. I love it! :heehee:
             
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              @ViewAhead if he was only 60 I'm sure that by now he would have been working on removing the 2 term limit for Presidents. He would have been taking lessons from Putin who did exactly that.
               
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                I’m sure it’s not beyond him to instigate the post of President from Beyond the Grave.
                 
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                  @KT53 He mentioned doing 3 terms in his first week or so of this session.

                  I doubt if Canada will suffer much if it loses all trade with the US. They've already boycotted the US as a holiday destination which has led to a massive financial uplift in staycations which benefit the local economies and then there's this report by a US financier from back in May which shows they've more than offset potential trade losses by finding new trading partners.

                  Canada offsets trade loss to US.jpg
                   
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                    Hey! Watch it! :old: 80 is a stripling :whistle: :heehee:
                     
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                      @shiney Please put the clothes back on.
                       
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                          Here is the link to see the actual advertisement that is posted on our CBC website - no, they don't do cookies as far as I know.

                          https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6951639

                          The ads will be playing throughout the baseball "world" series this and is sure to get it orangeness even more angry. :whistle:

                          And here is the full speech that Ronald Reagan gave in 1987. I've highlighted the part repeated in our ads. It's pretty obvious that the entire speech would not fit in a 30 or 60 second advertisement but the words quoted are unchanged and succinctly state the whole of President Reagan's intent. I have just put the written version but if wanted, I can search for the whole of the original.

                          "Prime Minister Nakasone of Japan will be visiting me here at the White House next week. It’s an important visit, because while I expect to take up our relations with our good friend Japan, which overall remain excellent, recent disagreements between our two countries on the issue of trade will also be high on our agenda.

                          As perhaps you’ve heard, last week I placed new duties on some Japanese products in response to Japan’s inability to enforce their trade agreement with us on electronic devices called semiconductors.

                          Now, imposing such tariffs or trade barriers and restrictions of any kind are steps that I am loath to take. And in a moment I’ll mention the sound economic reasons for this: that over the long run such trade barriers hurt every American worker and consumer. But the Japanese semiconductors were a special case. We had clear evidence that Japanese companies were engaging in unfair trade practices that violated an agreement between Japan and the United States. We expect our trading partners to live up to their agreements.

                          As I’ve often said: Our commitment to free trade is also a commitment to fair trade.
                          But you know, in imposing these tariffs we were just trying to deal with a particular problem, not begin a trade war.

                          So, next week I’ll be giving Prime Minister Nakasone this same message: We want to continue to work cooperatively on trade problems and want very much to lift these trade restrictions as soon as evidence permits. We want to do this, because we feel both Japan and the United States have an obligation to promote the prosperity and economic development that only free trade can bring.

                          Now, that message of free trade is one I conveyed to Canada’s leaders a few weeks ago, and it was warmly received there.

                          Indeed, throughout the world there’s a growing realization that the way to prosperity for all nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and free competition. Now, there are sound historical reasons for this. For those of us who lived through the Great Depression, the memory of the suffering it caused is deep and searing. And today many economic analysts and historians argue that high tariff legislation passed back in that period called the Smoot-Hawley tariff greatly deepened the depression and prevented economic recovery.

                          You see, at first, when someone says, “Let’s impose tariffs on foreign imports,” it looks like they’re doing the patriotic thing by protecting American products and jobs. And sometimes for a short while it works — but only for a short time. What eventually occurs is: First, homegrown industries start relying on government protection in the form of high tariffs. They stop competing and stop making the innovative management and technological changes they need to succeed in world markets. And then, while all this is going on, something even worse occurs.

                          High tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering of fierce trade wars. The result is more and more tariffs, higher and higher trade barriers, and less and less competition. So, soon, because of the prices made artificially high by tariffs that subsidize inefficiency and poor management, people stop buying. Then the worst happens: Markets shrink and collapse; businesses and industries shut down; and millions of people lose their jobs.

                          The memory of all this occurring back in the thirties made me determined when I came to Washington to spare the American people the protectionist legislation that destroys prosperity.

                          Now, it hasn’t always been easy. There are those in the Congress, just as there were back in the thirties, who want to go for the quick political advantage, who will risk America’s prosperity for the sake of a short-term appeal to some special interest group, who forget that more than 5 million American jobs are directly tied to the foreign export business and additional millions are tied to imports.

                          Well, I’ve never forgotten those jobs. And on trade issues, by and large, we’ve done well. In certain select cases, like the Japanese semiconductors, we’ve taken steps to stop unfair practices against American products, but we’ve still maintained our basic, long-term commitment to free trade and economic growth.

                          So, with my meeting with Prime Minister Nakasone and the Venice economic summit coming up, it’s terribly important not to restrict a president’s options in such trade dealings with foreign governments. Unfortunately, some in the Congress are trying to do exactly that. I’ll keep you informed on this dangerous legislation, because it’s just another form of protectionism and I may need your help to stop it.

                          Remember, America’s jobs and growth are at stake.

                          Until next week, thanks for listening, and God bless you."
                           
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                            Maybe he can do it to the ones who are bringing drugs into Quebec, Canada and which are then being forwarded to New Zealand and Australia. And their guns. We could use a few less of those too :)
                             
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                            What he's actually doing is blowing up boats in the Caribbean sea on th egrounds that they're transporting drugs but many have been innocent fishing boats. It's outrageous.

                            And the USA's main drug problem is oxycontin which was invented and made and heavily pushed by a family of US billionaires who could care less about the effects of their drug on society as long as the monies roll into their bank accounts.
                             
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                              I hope Sublocade is w.idely distributed at low cost. If that drug had existeded 7 years ago, my sister would be alive today. Oxycotin had been prescribed by her doctor.
                               

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