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  1. Philippa

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    @CanadianLori yes sorry it was trade negotiations. Be careful with the wet raspberry tho - he'll have put 100% tariff on those :biggrin:
     
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      Being educated at Eton, Harrow et al doesn't guarantee you won't have developmental disorders or be a sociopath or psycopath but I do agree that reducing or removing pre-school facilities, allowing larger class sizes at all ages, not having before and after school care for children of working parents, closing down libraries, swimming pools, youth services such as social clubs, youth clubs, sports facilities and so on and letting parks go to rack and ruin will inevitably lead to youngsters who grow up without a focus and/or lack of social skills and responsibilty and that leads to crime.

      Appalling short term thinking and a case of pinching the pennies leading to massive needs for pounds later to fix or contain an avoidable problem.
       
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        I don't live in the UK and so have not had day to day news about their criminal element so I cannot comment. I must admit I enjoy reading about serial killers or child rapists or other ilk dying in prison.

        The politicians are finallt looking at our bail system. Lots of criminals use it like a revolving door.
         
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        • Philippa

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          The "accidental release" from prison of a convicted illegal immigrant the other day in the UK. Apparently there have been 1000 + such incidents of accidental release in the last year ? Don't recall any mentions of this before but it does sound strange to say the least.
           
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            I grew up in a grotty mining village in the 1950s. Of the things you list above, I had none. They either didn’t exist at all or they were a bus journey (or two) away. We had no car. And yet I managed to grow up into quite a well balanced (though I say it myself) adult. On the other hand, while at university, for the first time in my life I came across people who had been to boarding school, had all the treats that their rich parents could bestow on them, and yet they were often sad little folk inside.

            There’s more than deprivation involved in making people aggressive and anti social. I don’t know what it is, though.
             
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              Yes, they aren’t saying where the accident occurred. Did they mix his name up with someone else? Did they put him in the wrong bus? Forget to lock his cell door? Most odd.
               
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              When someone's accidentally released from prison, does that mean someone else who's done their time or appealed successfully or whatever stays locked up when they should have been let out?
               
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                Chelmsford, Gloucester - somewhere around there I think ? Seen catching a train to London ? One prison officer removed from duty.
                 
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                  They sit in their rooms looking at the internet, like I am now, but its the content they look at that is the problem.
                  They have fancy names for it, radicalisation, basically they are just nasty people.

                  Killing someone you dont even know, and planning it in advance, has no excuses.

                  Years ago lots of people didn't have much, but they didn't do the kind of killings that happen these days, they dont actually have a motive half the time.
                   
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                    I’ve never taken a Ryanair flight, but doesn’t look like I’ll have the chance in the future. In a few weeks time, passengers will have to have their boarding card on an app on their phone, and printed out paper boarding passes will no longer be accepted. As I don’t have a smart phone, and no intention of getting one, I won’t be able to travel with them, along with those whose phones have run out of battery, or maybe don’t have a signal if that’s needed.
                     
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                      I believe he was given £75 and a bag with his stuff @Philippa. It hardly seems believeable but the number of mistaken releases in the last year has risen from 115 in the previous year to 262 in the last 12 months. Not something that can be blaimed on the Tories then but a lot to do with the seemingly deliberate, chronic shortage of prison staff, poor working conditions, high stress and lack of training. HMP Chelmsford is government run and not contracted out so no scapegoats there either.

                      The big thing that has changed since we grew up @Tidemark is communication and entertainment proliferating in uncontrolled ways and parents using TV and PCs as babysitters. Nor were we exposed to advertising and greed to have the latest fad in shoes, clothes, mobiles or other tech. If I wanted something I had to save for it. Entertainment was playing with friends but mostly reading. I was sent to Brownies but got asked to leave for not wanting to be a fairy or pixie but asking to learn about knots and camp fires.

                      These days, shop lifting, drugs and gangs seem to be the norm for some people and I'm sure a lot of that is borne out of lack of parenting presence, poor schooling, bad housing, lack of opportunities to spend one's time productively. Others seem to hide away in their rooms in chat rooms or on their mobiles and being exposed to age inappropriate videos and talk. Small wonder so many go off the rails.

                      Denmark, which was already a more peaceful and happy society than the UK, has introduced empathy lessons at schools from age 6 to 16. Maybe the UK should try that too. French children are taught "civisme" and it seems to work here but I have no idea about how well it works in big anonymous cities with high levels of poverty.

                      Something else they have here, and in Belgium, is a football club in every village and suburb for kids from 5 or 6 years old to seniors in their middle age as well as good sports facilities in schools which are used by clubs after school and at weekends. Our nearest little town is about 4000 people but has football and rugby pitches, basketball and tennis courts and a pool. They'd have been closed down in the UK.
                       
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                        @Obelix-Vendée I've not seen/heard any follow up on the accidental release but the £75 and belongings suggests a mix up in the chain of command somewhere. The full on "search" for this particular person is costing a lot too. I expect there will be another of the dreaded ( and useless ) enquiries which we seem to love but rarely learn from.
                         
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                          Cheltenham is in Gloucestershire.
                          Chelmsford is in Essex about 30 minutes by train from London.
                          The Border Force should have picked him up from Chelmsford prison and escorted him to their deportation centre.
                           
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                            Just in case anyone is in doubt about the illegality of trump's war on "drug boats"

                            Venezuela timeline per reporting:
                            Sept 2: U.S. strike sank an alleged drug boat. 11 dead.
                            Sept 15: U.S. strike. 3 dead.
                            Sept 19: U.S. strike. 3 dead.
                            Oct 3: U.S. strike off Venezuela. 4 dead.
                            Oct 14: U.S. strike. 6 dead.
                            Oct 15: Flight-tracking data showed 2 B-52s circling off the VZ coast in “bomber attack demonstration.”
                            Oct 16: Submersible hit. 2 dead, 2 survivors.
                            Oct 17: U.S. strike. 3 dead.
                            Oct 22: 2 Pacific strikes. 5 dead total.
                            Oct 23: Reports of B-51 U.S. bombers near VZ. DJT denied and hinted at land action.
                            Oct 24: U.S. kills 6 in latest strike on alleged drug boat
                            10 strikes.
                            No trials.
                            ~ 43 dead
                            Bc NONE of these people were arrested, charged, or given a chance to defend themselves before being killed, these strikes violate basic international law — which says governments can’t just kill people outside of war or without due process.
                            [​IMG] Article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) says: “No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.”
                            The U.S. is a party to this treaty.
                            [​IMG] Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) says: “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.”
                            [​IMG] The UN Principles on the Effective Prevention and Investigation of Extra-legal, Arbitrary and Summary Executions (1989) explicitly state that governments must not carry out killings without judicial process — even during counter-terrorism or anti-drug operations, saying: ““Governments shall prohibit by law all extra-legal, arbitrary and summary executions…” and that a “state of war or threat of war … may not be invoked as a justification of such executions.”
                            That means even IF someone is suspected of smuggling or crime, they’re supposed to face arrest and trial — not missiles.
                            So when a country skips that step and kills people directly, it’s considered an extrajudicial killing — meaning a killing outside the law.
                            [​IMG] In short, this is murder.
                             
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