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  1. Escarpment

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    Yes I heard that, and given that the migrants are almost all young men, why on earth couldn't he walk to the dentist?
     
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      It seems a gov contract to provide taxis for migrants is a golden opportunity to milk the system. But who is it in Whitehall signing off on these things? Whose desk did all this pass across? Did it not seem odd to anyone that one return trip of a distance under two miles was costing this? Was there no breakdown of journeys? If not, why not?

      Surely there is someone somewhere in overall charge of spending on migrants? :gaah:
       
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      • pete

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        Probably against their human rights.
         
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          Civil service is a law unto itself, they make their own rules.
          Don't think they actually bother what politicians tell them it all just grinds on in the same way.
          Probably one of the reasons elected governments find doing what they actually want to do, so difficult.
           
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            It isn't all Whitehall to be fair - it is devolved out to various parts of the civil service, much of it will be a local office to where the expenditure is taking place. In addition, they'll almost certainly have been given a remit to ensure "only safe/secure transport from an approved supplier" (or similar obtuse wording) is used - and those suppliers know how to charge.

            To become an approved supplier to any government agency, including the NHS, you have to jump through a LOT of administrative/regulatory hoops, so once you are there, you don't feel nearly as guilty about charging them top dollar. The downside is that is the very same reason that it can cost into the hundreds to change a light bulb in a hospital...

            Having the pleasure of dealing with a government agency/body on a daily basis, I can also tell you that everyone within that body works only to the remit they've been given, and not quickly either; much of their time is spent fighting with other departments, as each department has remits that seem to be at odds, or worse still they simply do not communicate internally.
             
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              Totally agree, @Fat Controller. The number of times when I worked for the NHS and was tempted to pop down to the high street and buy an item I needed, rather than wade through the quagmire that was NHS Supplies! Slow and expensive, not fit for purpose. As part of my MBA, I worked with a fellow student on a comparison between the NHS purchasing system, and that of a private company ( making gearbox parts for racing cars if I remember correctly) It was quite eye opening, he was completely shocked, and I was very envious!
              My department was one of the few remaining which was led by a clinician( me) who had control of the budget, plus a formal management qualification. In many of the other departments, there were a lot of fights between clinicians, and managers with control of the money, who had never treated a patient in their life.
               
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                We spend quite sometime moaning about the boat people coming over
                getting hand-outs without paying anything in, but there are many British
                people who do the same. My mates Son has never worked, he decided
                when he left school to have a bad back and was signed off as unfit to work by his GP. This guy is in a local rock band, plus goes Bate Digging.
                This chap slags off each government, I could honestly slap him:whistle:
                 
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                  My very first job was with a company selling and servicing computers and one of the first jobs I did was to deliver 40 IBM PS2 PC's, with monitors, mice and keyboards, to DGHB (it was still a health board then in the pre-Trust days); we were asked to put them into a large, unused boardroom alongside the 50 or so that we'd delivered the previous year... all still sat, unused and surrounding a massive mahogany table with matching mahogany chairs with plush velour seat pads, atop a carpet that felt like the thickest Axminster/Wilton type underfoot. Not a bit of it actually being used.
                   
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                    Sounds like one of those exercises for spending the unused budget, so that it doesn't get reduced the next year.
                     
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                      There are a few families around here that have never worked, you can see where a lot of the money goes.
                      I was unemployed for 3 months about 12 yrs ago and had to attend the job centre in order to get my £70 a week payment.
                      Some who went there knew the system backwards and seemed to run rings around the staff.
                      I got out of there as quickly as I could.

                      Things seem even worse these days but they are all mentally sick now and nobody is allowed to challenge that.
                       
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                        Exactly that. Spending money for the sake of it whilst other areas were suffering and you can bet your bottom dollar that the same thing is going on now
                         
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                          Hands up if you think Rachel Reeves is going to be in her job by Christmas? Or even the end of next week?

                          I'm sure she started out with the best intentions. I'm sure she believed she could do the job. But, astonishingly after so long in opposition, Labour came to power without a vision and without a plan. Making it up as you go along, in order to head off back bench rebellion, is never going to work. If they had just held their nerve and said, right, we are going to deal with one thing at a time eg reforming council tax or sorting out irregular migration, they would not be in this mess. Tinkering all over the place has left everyone fuming. Top tip - only aggravate one section of the electorate at a time. And if you are going to do something, eg remove the WFP, make sure you have a system in place that is workable and deliverable. Don't create cliff edges. These will generate too much bad publicity and your policy, even if the bones of it happened to be a good idea in theory, will never get support.
                           
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                            I am not even convinced that there was the best of intentions @ViewAhead - their politics have been that of identity, grievance and jealousy for many years. Certainly not the Labour that I was associated with, that is for sure.

                            This lot cannot even be honest.
                             
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                              I thought the whole point of having a minister for each department, each with a set of junior ministers and a whole department of civil servants, meant you could do loads of things at once @ViewAhead so, in theory, they can improve NHS organisation and delivery at the same time as getting on top of education, housing, migration both ways, law and order, pensions and social systems.

                              However, it does seem as tho they didn't have a coherent plan for any one of those things, let alone a strategy for managing it all. Unfortunately, if you have professional politicians in charge of everything they will not have managerial or financial experience and will not understand how to manage their own workforce and budgets, let alone the country's.
                               
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                                I think the plan was, If we throw lots and lots of money at it it will sort out the problems :biggrin:
                                 
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