Where's all the money? Is it even real?

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  1. Phil A

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    You've done the right thing there Dave. The protection is relevant to you and your family. You need to put items that you have used back to replace the former protection.

    In my new loft there is a box with all the family's old stuff; new protection.
     
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    The real problem is that the values of everything have inflated to more than they are worth. This, in itself, wouldn't be a problem if people, and governments, didn't borrow money to buy these things at their over-inflated prices. When you borrow you then have to pay interest and it's that which has really caused the problem.

    There is no problem whilst you are able to pay back but because everyone is greedy (not just the bankers) they want things that they can't really afford. Unfortunately, the 'man in the street' is not educated in economics and believed what the government and 'the experts' told them. In general, the major crisis has been two things - people buying houses that they can't really afford (with the banks being irresponsible enough to let them and the government allowing it) and the government also falling into the same trap by paying over-inflated prices for things.

    Your £10 is still £10 but what it can buy is a lot less than it used to be.

    The generation that went through the 'Big Crash' 80 years ago learnt that you shouldn't buy things you can't afford and a lot of them taught that to their children.

    Some of us, of the right age, were lucky enough to have that ethic beaten into us and remained sceptical about overstretching ourselves. If we couldn't save up to buy it, we went without. The only time we ever borrowed was for our mortgage and didn't buy a house that we couldn't afford on one wage although we were both working. Most of our friends bought cars on HP whilst we walked or bussed everywhere. It probably helped that I was brought up in the poorer part of London (East End), saw the poverty around me and swore that I would get out of it. Mrs shiney was brought up in an even poorer place than me (much, much poorer :rolleyespink:).
     
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      Where is it that she was brought up?
       
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      But here in East London more or less it is like Calcutta...if you know the right places:D

      Anyway, I am low maintenance...I am not into money, although I find it fun to make it, and occasionally to do some shopping.
      Having said that, what I really cannot digest is rough people, which would be a good reason to move a little bit more to the outskirts of where I am now...
       
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      I must admit I've borrowed when not really necessary, but never to an unmanageable level.

      Until a couple of years ago, I rented my house. At first because I couldn't afford a deposit for a mortgage, and then because house prices went mental.

      "But renting is dead money", my friends would say, to which I would reply "I'm waiting for the bubble to burst, when house prices will crash". "But property will NEVER decrease in value, it will only INCREASE, you must buy now while you still stand a chance of affording it" they'd say.

      I saw friends run themselves into the ground as they worked every hour of overtime they could get, just to pay their crazy mortgage repayments for their modest little houses and flats. All the while they were all convinced they were right and I was wrong.

      Then, chaos. The news showed the queues of panicking people outside Northern Rock waiting to draw out every penny they had before the bank collapsed (thus causing it to collapse) and the recession really bit.

      Almost overnight, houses lost about 50% of their artificial value. I got made redundant (as I knew I ultimately would, and I'd been waiting for that too, because I had an excellent redundancy package), and my years of anticipation came to fruition.

      I took my redundancy payout and used it as the deposit for my spacious semi with good sized back garden, and decent front garden, within walking distance of where I grew up. I'm paying less on my mortgage than anyone I know (who all bought in the panic time when prices were rising at silly rates), and I've got a lot more house for my money than they did.

      I knew the bubble had to burst, it did, and I seized the opportunity.
       
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        :heehee: You know what they say ... when you buy a house, you don't just pay for the bricks and mortar, you pay for the neighbours as well. Once I would have dismissed this as snobbish nonsense. Now I can see that, unfortunately, it happens to be true.
         
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