tree and rose ids, please?!

First the two miniture roses

a little simple little rose, bees can easily pollinate it, Felcos there to give an idea of scale. Each plant is about 18" x 18"


a similar rose in form,, but with slightly darker flowers


and the tree. This is one of the smaller specimens. About 10' high. A larger specimen is about 20' high


a close-up of the fruit, hanging on "ropes" a little like a blackcurrant. Felcos in fhot for some idea of scale...

 

I've added a close-up of the first rose, to help Wise Owl!

 

Tree... looks like a Prunus.. possibly Prunus virginiana. Common name chokecherry.

http://www.meridian.k12.il.us/middle School/student_work/Brock/common chokecherry.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_virginiana


http://www.plantillustration.com/portfolio63-Chokecherry-Prunus-virginiana.html

 

Good morning wiseowl!

Ok, some extra info...
- they are what I would describe as a patio rose, so small plants, small leaves, and clusters of small flowers, blooming steadily down the flowering stem (so one group of flowers fades, you cut off down the the axil below, where the next cluster is starting to open)
- age of the plants? This is a finger in the air figure, as we have not been here that long... the plants have been cut back to the "stool" many times, so the stool is about 4" across. the stem below going into the ground is about 1 1/2" across. Some had been cut back too far, so have reverted, so they are grafted. Thinking back to my father's patio roses, I would age at about 20 years?
- each rose is quite small, about 1" across, and maybe 1/2 inch high.
- I've just dismantled a flower, and I think there were 22 petals. That seems a strange number? I thought most flower petals were in multiples of 3,4, or 5 petals. I suppose there could be 2 immature petals at the centre
- a very, very faint perfume (in fact, I think I can only smell something after pulling at the petals!)
- Oh and possibly a very important reminder. We are in Belgium, so possibly a different set of varieties? Going back about 20 years, everything French in origin would have been considered totally chique

 

Thank you, as ever, silver Surfer....

I think it may be a cultivar of chokeberry. The leaves are more elongated, but the shape of the trees certainly rings true!