What's happening to the US of A?

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    Says on the news that the US government is going home at midnight tonight.

    Is the US bankrupt? Are they switching the lights off? What does that mean for them and the rest of the world?
     
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    The ordinary people of the USA will carry on as normal.:dunno: The Republican Politicians will carry on touting guns and red necking, while the Democrat Politicians will continue to procrastinate and be unable to pass any effective legislation. Nothing out of the ordinary then.:snork:
     
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      Only cos they don't understand probably.

      I for one don't understand how a government can just 'shut down'. Without being a politician or economist, it just sounds to me like the nation of USA is being abandoned, but surely that makes no sense? Sounds like the USA is completely and utterly done for, worse than Greece even?
       
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      As I see it, it is not so much that they are bankrupt, but more that one side (republicans) is refusing to agree with the budget plans formulated by the other side (team Obama), and are refusing to budge unless they get to veto a bill that has already been enshrined into law despite their objections - to over simplify, the republicans are saying that it is their ball, and they are not letting anyone else play; what they don't seem to be getting is that in not letting team Obama play, they are also knackering their own chances of playing (a true case of cutting the nose off to spite the face).

      Its a real worry, and not just the shutdown itself either - if the shutdown goes ahead, but is resolved quickly, then the cost will be counted in millions of dollars at government level, and many government employees will have to do without a day or twos worth of pay. If it doesn't resolve very quickly, that government cost will rise to billions and then trillions and all they while many, many workers will head toward bankruptcy themselves; then there is the payments that the US is due to pay to service its debt - if they don't pass the bill, then they don't make their next 'mortgage' payment, and that would lead to a whole world of pain.

      This could very well be the beginning of the end of capitalism.....
       
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        If the USA is flat broke, how come they have achieved such world influence?

        Its not the first time they were broke. I believe the 'space race' between the USA and USSR was actually really a race to see who could get the other side to blow all their cash first. That means they've really been skint for at least the whole of my life time. What's special about this time?
         
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          They've never had money, same as any government. It's all borrowed or somehow lent out. It's a bit like your mortgage - just numbers on paper, if you stop and think about it too hard or long you'll cry a bit.
          They have entered, and not for the first time, a stalemate where no progress can be made, firstly in the economy / budget, and secondly on anything else. It's a made love to up system and I hope the filters take care of the word I just used!
          If they REALLY want to fly the flag they should just shoot the republicans
           
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              They are only shutting down the non-esential things, like Parks.
              Anyway, I hope they hold their ground and fight. Obama spends too much money. He borrows from China and gives it to Egypt (lots of sense, right). He 's raised the debt ceiling higher than any other Pres in history. Obama had not done anything for the "American Dream", just the opposite. He also is working on dividing this country, not just party, but color and class.
              And this Obamacare will have negative outcomes in the future. Glad the Repbulicans grew some balls.
               
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                You tube is crawling with videos asking why the Homeland defence service is being kitted out with drones, armoured vehicles, millions of rounds of ammo etc. There's talk of internment camps.

                Are they preparing for civil war?

                 
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                Hope so...perhaps the right side will win next time?:)
                 
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                Thought it was the North side that won last time?
                 
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                How so? I must admit I haven't really been following it, but it seems to me that Obama is trying to create something like our NHS, which has to be a good thing surely? I understand the status quo is if you get sick and need help, the amount of help you get (if any) is based on how much you can afford to pay. Probably ok if you've just bashed your thumb or caught a mild bug, but not so ok if you are, for example, diagnosed with cancer? I believe Obama wants it to be so that regardless of your financial standing, if you need help, you will get it. Maybe I misunderstand, but I don't get why there's so much resistance to a proposal to ensure that if you're holding your sick child in your arms, the very last thing you have to think about is how you're going to pay for their treatment.
                 
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                  Probably a good thing in principle but I hope he doesn't want it to be just like the NHS because it's a shambles and after being at the local hospital for most of the afternoon nothing changed my mind.
                   
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                    Good in principle yes, and despite the state of our NHS, it is still worth having. Both my sons have had their vaccinations, and while giving birth to them, my wife had highly trained dedicated people looking after her without us having to worry about a bill.

                    Obama is in a good position. He can look at our NHS and take the good ideas, and leave out the bad stuff like privatisation of various services, excessive bureaucracy, and the crazy principle of running the NHS like a corporation as ours currently is.

                    In Spain, they have better ideas. They take a more 'joined-up' approach to services. For example, their pharmacists (the better qualified ones) can prescribe medicines that over here would need a doctor to prescribe, and if someone needs an ambulance quickly, but its not life or death (eg a someone's just fallen and broke their leg, but isn't having a heart attack), a taxi driver may take them, and is allowed to speed (within reason) as long as he puts his headlights on and hangs a cloth out of the window, then he can claim the fare back from their government after taking someone to hospital, thus freeing up an ambulance and team of trained paramedics to deal with more urgent cases.

                    Obama strikes me as not daft. I'm sure he wouldn't create a carbon copy of our NHS, but rather take ideas from us, and other countries, and take something that balances cost against needs. At least I'd hope he'd do that. If he does make a carbon copy of our NHS in its current state, then our US based buddies might have something to worry about.
                     
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