IT'S AN MP's LIFE

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  1. shiney

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    We come under an interesting constituency. The political party of the MP's has changed but the majority of the constituency is strong labour and for nearly 40 years never had a councillor that wasn't labour.

    We've been pretty lucky with the MPs. For about 30 years we had a very left wing MP who worked hard for his constituency and always had time to listen to the people.

    During the Thatcher years we had a conservative MP who also worked hard for his constituency, had weekly surgeries (virtually next door to my work) and was liked by even the strong labour voters. He did manage to upset Thatcher by telling her he couldn't vote the way she wanted on one topic (can't remember what) and didn't get the junior minister post she was offering.

    He was followed by a labour MP who also worked hard for the locals for five years, until he became a minister and then, rarely appeared to speak to his constituency or took much interest in it. He didn't like me :heehee: as he was my local councillor, at work, and I used to ask him too many awkward questions in public! When he became an MP he didn't get away from my awkward questions as I ran some local organisations that he had to meet with. The problem was that he seemd to be aiming at becoming minister even in those early days.

    After eight years as a minister he got defeated by a conservative who works extremely hard for his constituents and is quite pushy in parliament.

    I haven't the faintest idea how any of our MP's have voted on the increase in their wages but I do know they work/worked hard for their constituents (except that previous one).
     
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    On a similar line, a report has just announced that 90% of people in poverty are actually in work!

    I can never understand why our leaders are so thick! They base everything on the mean (average) wage, which as we know is distorted by the inflated salaries of management, and not the mode wage. It is such a basic premise, yet it appears that not even an Eton education can provide this basic level of common sense.

    Thinking about it, our leaders are not common are they?!
     
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    • HarryS

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      I didn't think this little snippet would pass the GC members !
      Possibly we need this little French control device for 11% of our poor underpaid MP's ? :gaah:
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      • Ian Taylor

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        I wouldn't vote for any of them, as there only interested in lining there own pockets, fiddling expenses they should have been jailed and had there nice fat pensions removed.
        There just a set of parasites.
         
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        • ARMANDII

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          We know, we know!!!:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
           
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          • "M"

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            I don't think many people do, Freddy
             
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            Public sector and may be some Private sector employees have had a pay freeze for at least three years, 11% rise for MPs!!! good to know we are ALL in this together.:mad:
             
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            • pete

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              Yep you are right Freddy.
              Just wondering what "commission" is currently working out my next pay rise, I've not heard from them in ages, maybe they are on extended holiday, somewhere nice.;)
               
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              • Fat Controller

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                And this is the bit that they just don't 'get'

                The people currently running our country, DO NOT have a mandate to do so, as neither of ther parties won enough votes to get into power. The people that pay their wages (us) DID NOT whole-heartedly vote them in, so just how can we now be told we are going to pay them even more!

                Jeremy Paxman put it very well on TV the other night - it should be compulsory for every voting slip to have a box at the bottom which simply says 'none of the above' - maybe then the truth would be realised, that the choice of who to vote for in this country is akin to choosing whether you stick pins or needles into your eyes. :gaah:
                 
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                  I'm waiting for the tickbox on the ballot paper which gives me option to tick NONE OF THE ABOVE. :paladin:

                  Better think about flowers or something else because thinking of these clueless spongers with their snouts in the trough makes my blood pressure dangerously high ;)
                   
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                  • Fat Controller

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                    Great minds think alike...............
                     
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                    I remember the first time I was old enough to vote and there was a general election on. I knew who I wanted to vote for. At that time, I wanted to vote for the Green Party.

                    I remember how disillusioned I was when my dad explained to me that it doesn't work like that. We can't simply vote for who we want, because there has to be a representative of that party within your ward. Where I was living at the time, we didn't have a rep of the Green Party. So, I was old enough to vote, willing to vote, had the right to vote, knew who I wanted to vote for, yet the system didn't enable me to do so. My second choice (can't remember who that was now) also didn't have a representative in my area, so I couldn't vote for them either.

                    It costs around £600 to register a candidate, and the smaller parties without strong support from businesses or unions etc simply can't afford to register candidates in every ward, nor can they afford the kind of publicity that the three main parties get.

                    So in the current system, what does a party need to stand a chance of winning? Well, it needs the backing of the powerful minority (either rich people donating, media or other corporates donating (who wont do so for nowt), or the unions supporting them for their own political agenda).

                    But what if every ward did have a rep for every party? well, lets say the country only had 3 wards. Wards A, B and C. Each has the same name of voters in it (lets say 1000). Lets say each of the three wards has a candidate from each of the 2 parties (simplifying things, lets say there are only 2).

                    In Ward A, 501 people vote for Party 1, and 409 vote for Party 2.
                    In Ward B, 501 people vote for Party 1, and 409 vote for Party 2.
                    In Ward C, 1 person votes for Party 1 and 999 vote for Party 2.

                    Great, Party 1 wins. They won 2 seats out of 3.

                    But wait, 1003 people voted for Party 1, while 1817 people voted for Party 2, who lost.

                    The whole thing is fundamentally flawed, corrupt, and by no means democratic.
                     
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                    • Jack McHammocklashing

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                      The average intelligence of MPs is scary

                      Question time on Thursday, one woman MP was on about saving money by not giving RICH pensioners bus passes quoting the likes of Richard Branson or Alan Sugar
                      Well the bus pass only costs money when it is actually scanned on the bus, I have not seen either party or other RICH pensioner on a bus
                      Though she was adamant this move would save millions of Pounds

                      Alex Salmond and his White Paper
                      He states he will double child care in an independent Scotland (I did not realise the schools education was "child care")
                      Asked how it would be paid, it just would due to an extra 700,000 parents freed to work longer

                      Just where is this employment coming from ? and in the devolved parliament we have now, he is able to do it tomorrow, so why wait until 2016 and $EITY FORBID independence

                      In the three hour debate in Scottish parliament on the White Paper did he manage to say where all the money for Jam tomorrow was coming from, Just that getting rid of Trident and the loss of ten thousand jobs would have no effect, on Finances, Or the fact that NO British warships are ever built outside of the UK so the Clyde ship building would also close

                      Do these people actually think of what they are saying ?

                      Jack McH
                       
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                      • longk

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                        Do I actually have to answer that for you!
                        Trouble is that they are so used to dealing out soundbites that they no longer need to think. They are heavily coached before programs like QT as they rarely have a handle on their brief.
                         
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                          On about the Scottish independence thing, there was something in the news just the other day that the value of Scotland's share of north sea oil and gas has been revised down from £7bn per year to just over £4bn. But it gets more interesting. It seems Alex Salmond's brigade had budgeted for it remaining at its current value forever. It never occurred to him that sooner or later it will run out. That is possibly until just the other day when the same study of its value showed a steadily diminishing value for it year on year moving forward.

                          The report went on to show that in the first year, Scotland will have about £3bn less in the first year, with the deficit growing rapidly in subsequent years.

                          So if Scotland rewinds the clock by about 300 years and breaks from the union, how long before the newly flat broke nation has to rewind a bit further, and start fighting with us for resources?
                           
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