Shady Climbers: Specific location

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  1. ARMANDII

    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    I agree with that, Harry, as I've mentioned above, but it occurs to me that Matt is thinking of Evergreen Clematis for a permanent leaf cover for his privacy screen.

    Other evergreen Clematis to consider are:

    C. Emerald Dream
    C. Avalanche
    C. Balearica
    C. Calycina
    C. Early Sensation
    C. Fragrant Oberon
    C. Freckles
    C. Jingle Bells.
     
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    How about Pyracantha - Firethorn ? Dense evergreen foliage with pretty white flowers in mass in the spring followed by deep red berries up to Christmas . Available everywhere and pretty cheap .
    http://www.pyracantha.co.uk/pyracantha-varieties
    firethorn-pyracantha-berries.jpg
     
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      Hi @Matt Stone and :sign0016: to GC

      Thought I'd share my observations, hope you don't mind.

      Firstly, shade.
      The area you have depicted isn't in what would be described as "deep shade" ... in fact, looking at your CAD's, I'd go as far as to say what you are dealing with is partial shade :) Why point that out? Well, that extends your choices for that area of your garden and needs to be taken into consideration when choosing what to plant there.

      Secondly: "fast growing".
      Now, while I do appreciate fast growing plants are requested more often than not because someone wants coverage quickly ... the "forgotten" aspect of "fast growing" means ... lots of trimming/cutting back/tidying. So, before you plant *anything* which is fast growing try turning that phrase into: lots of work. Do you *still* want fast growing? :whistle: ;)

      Thirdly: climbers are a screen.
      Climbers can make great screens - but they also make quite "loose" screens and getting dense coverage can be tricky.

      Lastly: your CAD.
      From your CAD's it seems to me that you have, what would be called, a "contemporary" style garden. By that I mean ... minimalistic and modern. Now, that might just be because you have only just begun to get out there and delve into the mysteries of gardening; or, that may be your particular "style" and that may well be how you would like to keep it. In which case, I would advise against climbers of the clematis variety.

      Instead, I would be suggesting that you invest in some evergreen bamboos and enjoy the sound of them rustling in the breeze, providing screening and fitting in rather nicely with a contemporary look.

      I can envisage something like this in that area, maybe underplanted with some Japanese grass ...

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      Overall, I suppose the most important consideration will always be: cost!

      Good luck in deciding how you wish to develop that corner and the rest of your garden :thumbsup:
       
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        Great advice, "M":thumbsup::snork: But I would disagree with you about using Bamboo as it can be invasive and because it spreads underground sending up suckers in all the wrong places. I have several neighbours who are regretting putting Bamboo into their gardens and some who have placed it against a fence are now getting the ire of the next door neighbour because it has travelled into their gardens. Bamboo in pots.....yes. Bamboo in the ground.......No:hate-shocked::heehee:
         
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          My mistake Our Mandy ... I did mean to have put the words "in pots" in my post :redface:
           
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            Don't tempt me with the word "Pot[ty]:nonofinger::heehee:
             
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            • Dips

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              Doesnt it depend on the type of bamboo some are invasive and spread under ground and other dont?
               
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                Hi Dips, that could be argued but to be honest I haven't found any variety of Bamboo not to be, over time, invasive. There are several claims that some varieties are not but.......here's something from the RHS.

                Bamboo control


                Bamboos are usually desirable garden plants but, if left to grow unchecked, they can become invasive and spread beyond their bounds, turning into a weed. Follow this simple guide to get rid of bamboo, or at least bring it under control.



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                Quick facts
                Common name Bamboo
                Botanical name Various
                Main causes Invasive types that spread by creeping rhizomes
                Timing Mid-summer
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                What is bamboo?


                Bamboos are usually valuable ornamental plants. However, if not kept under control some bamboos can become invasive garden weeds – particularly the types that spread by rhizomes (underground stems).



                The problem


                While bamboos are usually a good, ornamental plant, here are some of the problems encountered:

                • Bamboo shoots may pop up anywhere in the garden: neighbouring land or even through solid barriers, such as in patios and conservatory floors. Most weed-suppressantgroundcover fabrics will not stop bamboo spreading
                • Bamboos spread via long rhizomes, which help the plant to colonise new areas
                • The clump forming bamboos can also grow out of control, but do not tend to spread as much as the running bamboos


                Control


                If you have a bamboo that has got out of hand, you may want to bring it back under control, or just want to eradicate it completely. Complete eradication will take time and patience.

                Non-chemical control
                • Non-chemical methods involve digging out clumps of bamboo and restricting the size. This can be difficult with very large plants, or on heavy soil. Use a sharp spade to dig up the entire clump or to remove sections from the edge of the clump that have grown beyond the limits. Sever the rhizomes as you go, lifting and removing them with a fork or trowel. The fringes of larger clumps can be rotovated
                • If you wish to keep the plant, consider planting it inside a physical barrier (see the bamboo profile for more information on physical barriers)
                Chemical control
                • You can use a weedkiller to remove unwanted growth, or the whole plant. The larger the plant, the more difficult it will be to completely kill it, and it may take several applications of weedkiller to succeed
                Eradicating unwanted growth

                • To ensure you only kill unwanted growth, first sever the underground rhizomes from the parent plant with a garden spade
                • Apply a tough formulation of glyphosate (e.g. Scotts Roundup Ultra 3000, Scotts Tumbleweed, Bayer Tough Rootkill, Bayer Garden Super Strength Weedkiller or Doff Maxi Strength Glyphosate Weedkiller) to the foliage of the section you want to kill. Alternatively, cut canes to ground and treat with a stump and root killer containing glyphosate (e.g. Scotts Roundup Tree Stump & Rootkiller, Bayer Tree Stump Killer, Doff Tree Stump & Tough Weedkiller and William Sinclair Deep Root Ultra Tree Stump & Weedkiller) or triclopyr (Vitax SBK Brushwood Killer). Treat foliage of any regrowth
                • Consider replanting the original clump, or a division of it, inside a physical barrier to prevent future spread. See the bamboo profile for more information on physical barriers
                Eradicating the whole plant

                • With very tall bamboos, which can be difficult to spray, cut down canes to soil level in late winter and then apply a glyphosate-based weedkiller (e.g. Scotts Roundup Ultra 3000, Scotts Tumbleweed, Bayer Tough Rootkill, Bayer Garden Super Strength Weedkiller or Doff Maxi Strength Glyphosate Weedkiller) to the young growth in late spring and early summer. Several treatments may be needed
                • Alternatively, cut canes to ground and treat with a stump and root killer containing glyphosate (e.g. Scotts Roundup Tree Stump & Rootkiller, Bayer Tree Stump Killer, Doff Tree Stump & Tough Weedkiller and William Sinclair Deep Root Ultra Tree Stump & Weedkiller) or triclopyr (Vitax SBK Brushwood Killer). Treat foliage of any regrowth
                 
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                I wish i knew which typed of bamboo my mum has in her garden. They have had the house for 14 years and they havnt spread just still in a small clump and the bamboo was in before they bought the property so no problems at all.

                They have just bought these ones that say they are not invasive

                http://www.yougarden.com/item-p-680087/pair-of-fargesia-fountain-bamboos
                 
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                  Hi Dips, I confess that I have some Bamboo.......but in very large low profile pots. There are some "non-invasive" Bamboos but there are many more that are not. Size in this case does not matter as I've seen some of the lower growing, smaller leaved Bamboos becoming a problem. But to be honest I would never take the risk of putting Bamboo into the ground. Bamboo once in the ground is a Devil to dig out should you need to.:dunno::snork:
                   
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                    Maybe then with bamboo its best to research and plan so that you dont have to end up digging it out :-)
                     
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                      It's also to read the information on plant labels with a "pinch of salt" as it ain't all true:hate-shocked::dunno::heehee:
                       
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                      "M" - thanks for your notes, I'm trying to absorb all the advice as best I can! To answer a couple of your points

                      - Do I want fast growing, including the upkeep... yes! I'm starting with a virgin garden and I'd like to get a screen established in the next 2 years. The overlooking here is a real problem which spoils full enjoyment of the garden, so my outlook is - fix this fast with trellissing, better with a plant screen over the coming years, and then focus on "slow gardening" in the rest of the garden, particularly on the south fence.

                      - Bamboo as a screen - I share the view that its a nightmare - having seen my parents garden get overwhelmed by the stuff and having a hidden shoot go through my foot at one point... needless to say its not my favourite plant!! Its a personal thing I guess...

                      - Tidy Gardening - i'm fully expecting my garden to be the same "beautiful mess" as everyone elses :), but I'm trying to start with some key growing zones and themes. I'm happy to let the clematis fully claim that stretch of fence, maybe with some grasses at the base if I can.

                      Armandii - thanks for the tips on the other evergeen varieties - Freckles looks great, think we have a winner for a second variety there...

                      Dips & HarryS - thanks for the links and recommendations of other plants - I'm looking for climbers onto the pergola itself once the screen is sorted, so these are going on the list!


                      ...and thanks again for all the welcome, its a real help. Feeling alot happier about the whole project now.
                       
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                        It is a nice Clematis, Matt, and should do well in your garden. Mix and match would be a good idea, but I do worry that your "haste" and need for a quick screening might lead to mistakes. Take a breath, and start to believe that there are no instant answers in gardening. You'll also find that your ideas on what you want will change over time and some times you have to compromise or change the plan!!:heehee:
                         
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                        • Matt Stone

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                          Oh I'm sure I'll be making plenty of mistakes [emoji4]
                           
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