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  1. KT53

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    @Obelix-Vendée The + will be to cover the Sam Smith's of this world who dont know if they're Arthur or Martha.
     
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      I'm aware what the meaning of lgbtq+ and also the longer versions of it including "questioning", "intersex", "pansexual" etc. I was only meaning that I've always been puzzled why the term lesbian is always differentiated from gay or homosexual, when they are all the same thing, and why homosexual is always directed at men.
       
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      The + is simply a way to shorthand the list and say it's all inclusive.
       
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      We've just done our Wills and they managed to spell my middle name wrong throughout. That's despite having to provide proof of identity, which they copied and held on file.
      That was the least of the issues we had. Our Wills were supposed to be mirrors of each other. The first drafts barely had anything in common.
       
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        I think gay should be reclaimed by those who are in a good mood and happy with life as in the much older English meaning. The use of gay to mean homosexual seems to come from 1920's US slang.
         
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          'Pride' should certainly be reclaimed from exclusive association with any section of the community.
           
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            Wasn't 'gay' - as in happy - derived from the Old French 'gai'?
             
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              Same meaning @Tinkerton, as in cheerful, happy, joyful and, latterly, homosexual.
               
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              Yes, I know that, @Obelix-Vendée .
               
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              So are we to suppose that all homosexuals are cheerful, happy and joyful. :biggrin:
               
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              No more than anyone else @pete. Does it matter?
               
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              No it doesn't matter, just dont understand how a word gets hi jacked by a certain section of the community to a point where its meaning is totally changed to something else.
              Its a word that nearly everyone is scared to use by its original meaning, and that has happened in my lifetime.
               
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                I think the homo in homosexual means same, and would therefore apply to men or women. What I’m struggling to get my head round is the use of plural pronouns for someone who doesn’t see themselves as either he or she. I’ve just read an article about someone referred to as they, and the grammar got so mixed up, that in the end, I couldn’t work out if there was actually more than one or not. I thought the term ‘it’ would have been the most accurate option, and has been used for years for pets and small babies where the sex isn’t obvious.
                I also disagree with the term cis, I am a woman, the original version.
                 
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                  Back to the days when gay meant gay. Songs I remember off the top of my head. All of which mention the word gay.


                  And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home (It is thought that the Irish song 'Johnny I Hardly Knew Ya' pre-dates this by a few years)




                  Young and gay or old and grey



                  I feel pretty and witty and gay, (Although they changed the words from the original Broadway version for when they made this film)



                  No milk today, it wasn't always so
                  The company was gay, we'd turn night into day
                   
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                    Many years ago I was standing down as chairman of a committee and had proposed a woman to be the new chairman. She objected to me calling her madam chairman and I explained that the position has always been chairman and said so in the constitution but I would be happy to call her chairwoman.

                    She objected to that as well and said she should be called Chair. So I responded to that with "I can only call you that if you have four legs and can be sat upon".

                    We are still friends fifty years later. :heehee:
                     
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