For anone who doubts the conditions in which ICE is keeping detainees, most of whom are law abiding, tax paying people who just happen to be brown, see this: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/08/us/detainees-ice-immigrants-hold-rooms and that's just the holding rooms before they are shipped to overcrowded detention centres where msitreatment is rife. They may not have the gas rooms of Auschwitz but they are treating people inhumanely withc over crowding, lack of privacy and basic comforts such as bedding, insanitray conditions and poor food and water plus no medical care. People have died in there and for me such conditions are a form of torture unimaginable in civilised people. I have posted on the Moan thread about what they did to perfectly legal Korean workers building a factory so please let's have no more quibbles about no news, one-sided news or grey areas. It's just wrong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong @Obelix-Vendee, but if these are immigrants they have chosen to be there. No one chose to go to Auschwitz. I'm not condoning the conditions they are kept in but I think your comparison is wrong.
Oh my goodness, @Obelix-Vendée I didn't realize that you were getting your facts from CNN who are not really a news outlet but more a collection of anti Trump opinions and memes! Yes, no one should be exposed to inhumane conditions and I think the solution would be to coordinate expulsion on a much faster timeline so there is very little need for "holding" centers. Pick them up, ship them out. These are not legal immigrants. These are people who broke the law. I'll stop there because I don't get paid by the word or anything....
Legal immigrants should be expelled? I'm confused! If they immigrated legally and then broke the law in some non-immigration-related way (eg theft or tax evasion or speeding or whatever) then surely they should be treated the same way as anyone else who commits those crimes. To do otherwise would be discrimination.
@katecat58 most of the people detained by ICE are legal but happen to be brown and Spanish speaking. Very few are the criminals Trump and co claim them to be. None of them choose to go to an ICE detention centre and certainly should not be treated the way they are. The Koreans were there on a short term project to build a factory for their Korean employer in order for Americans to be employed on a permanent basis. It's a common practice with Korean and Japanese companies setting up in Europe, USA and elsewhere. @CanadianLori CNN is not my only source but that happened to be a convenient format to post. Feel free to fact check on other sites.
According to the raw data (my fact checking) from United States Citizen and Immigration Services, on September 7th, 2025 the number of current detainees who had been arrested by ICE was 48,844 and arrested by Customs and Border Protection another 13,922 totaling 58,766. Of these detainees 29% are illegal immigrants who are also convicted criminals 25% are illegal immigrants who are before the courts on criminal charges 45% are just plain there illegally but have no criminal history. I don't know what the final 1% have been detained for and cannot find the data on that, so I'll assume they are innocents caught in the net by accident or stupidity. I feel sorry for that 1% (approximately 588) and hope they are released quickly if they do not deserve to be there. We had a Canadian who was detained because her documentation was not complete and she tried to get around things by trying to enter the U.S. through Mexico. The stupid woman had no right to be treated any differently. Yes, she was released after a few weeks and I hope she learned her lesson not to thumb her nose at authorities.
The immigration issue is not exactly simple. We have legal immigrants who have entered their chosen country by legal means, presumably filed the correct documentation and are now employed and paying taxes and generally assisting the country they have moved to. We then have those who have entered a country via ullegal methods and paying for that privilege to criminal gangs. A great many of those people who survive the journey have no documentation - by accident or on purpose - and a country's govt. then has to try and assess their reasons for arriving. That takes both money and time. Then we have obvious economic migrants - some with genuine employment offers and some who are simply willing to take a chance of a better financial existence. Finally, we have refugees - people who are fleeing from war zones and just want out of their own country. I can't comment on how the US deals with their immigration policy other than to suspect they are not handling it very well. The UK govts ( past and current ) are pretty much the same IMO. Looked at in a logical way, the sensible answer would be to pack in all the war mongering and try to improve life in other countries but that is virtually impossible. Migration is inevitable and many countries will continue to benefit from it.
I'm usually brown this time of year, come april I'm a bit pale looking, I ask myself what has changed, countries have always had wars and conflicts, but for some reason, these days, they all seem to think they can just dump themselves in another country and just wander around trying to find the best place to live. There has always been refugees but not on this scale, very few are refugees, most are economic migrants who are moving into richer countries with a view of bringing the extended family along later. Anyone who thinks that is fine and we should open the whole county up to them is living in a fool's paradise IMO. Sensible migration is ok, waves of people just dumping themselves in a different country just because they dont like their own should be kicked out or at least locked up until they decide on a better destination that will take them.
Yes, please may we have our “I don’t believe it!” stories back? How about this one. Coitus interruptus anyone?
No wonder Andy Burnum is after becoming the next PM..........Manchester is getting a bad name and he wants out
That was my first thought, @CanadianLori, in which case only 8 mins away from the operating room was quite a short window of enjoyment. Hardly worth exploding your career for.
