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Voter photo ID

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Loofah, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I've got a passport and a photo driving licence, so I do have ID, but I just cant work out what this intimidation thing is all about, I mean how much of it needs to go on to actually sway a vote?

    I'm guessing this is in "certain" areas ;)
    Just goes to show what a **** hole this country has turned into.

    Another year before I can get a bus pass;)
     
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    • NigelJ

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      Down here once you move out of town buses are as rare as hen's teeth and not much better in town.
      Why do I favour ID cards? Mainly because I already have to produce photo ID to collect parcels from some places, my GP has started demanding photo ID (data protection act 2018 apparently) to collect prescriptions. However they cheerfully send prescriptions to your nominated pharmacy who hand things over on a check of the first line of your address. Photo driving licenses could well be compulsory soon. We are already heavily monitored number plate recognition cameras on roads, in town centres and car parks. We can be tracked via our use of credit cards, mobile phones, Oyster cards, loyalty cards etc.
      So why not have one card with a photo on it that can serve for photo ID, voter ID, driving license, access to benefits, health care, leisure centre, library; we will not be any more monitored than we already are. Not bothered about the police either down here, you're more likely to see a bus than a bobby or a PCSO walking around.
       
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      • pete

        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        I really cant believe this country has become so full of criminals that you have to show ID to go to the doctors or pick up a prescription.
        Only time I show ID is to pick up a parcel etc.
         
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        @NigelJ Isn't that a bit like saying "I'm already handcuffed, so why not also shackle my legs?"

        Don't agree with everything Liberty say here, but they're fundamentally correct on the fact that: "The ID card scheme signalled a shift in the relationship between the individual and the state – where information is not just shared when necessary, but shared unless there is a reason not to."

        The case against ID cards

        How long before we're compelled to carry these ID cards all the time if they're introduced?

        Nick
         
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          We've been required to produce photo I.d. along with our election card for many years. There was fraud. And let's face it, clerical errors happen and dead people have shown up on voting rosters so if tney don't resurrect themselves and bring along i.d., nobody can hijack their franchise.

          And so many other scenarios. It's political arenas so the crooked stuff tags along and photo i.d. stops the abuse.

          I just voted in our federal election advanced polls and am glad that I know all votes are valid.. we think :)
           
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            On the subject of voting. I have never voted. I had to laugh one day when candidates and supporters wer going door to door. I heard one say. That's alright, he's one of ours, meaning me.
             
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            Disappointed. I care about what goes on in my town, province and country and feel it is my duty to cast my ballot.

            I refuse to talk policy on any level with someone who does not vote.

            My personal foible.

            You probably have saved yourself having to buy hip waders by keeping shut from the goings on but I'll take the risk of being exposed to the propaganda and actioning my deductions :)
             
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              It's interesting to hear the differences in how I.D. is operated. I have a passport, a photo driving licence and a bus pass (photo taken from the passport). As we do a lot of travelling our passport is always easily accessible. Our driving licences have never left the box file they're in and the bus passes are taken out twice a year when we go to the Lake District (no bus within easy reach of home).

              We have never been asked to produce I.D. to pick up a prescription from the dispensary at out doctors surgery (no chemist for miles).

              We've never had to go to the post office to pick up a parcel as, if we're not in, the postman knows where to leave them. Anything that will fit through the letter box but needs signing for, and we're not in, gets signed by the postman (the cat still hasn't learnt to write :cat-kittyandsmiley:). Any letters that need posting are left in the outside of the letter box and the postman takes them. This is the way of our village life and has been like this for the 47 years we have lived here.

              Village life is still very nice and as you walk through the village people will say hello even if you don't know them. Things have changed. We no longer have our milk delivered by horse and cart and the postman no longer does the shopping for disabled neighbours (he also used to cook breakfast for our neighbour). That postman retired at the age of 84!

              The times they are a changin!

               
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              @Nikolaos
              Very different: if hand cuffed I can't garden. Carrying an ID card doesn't prevent gardening. Although various satellites probably have me on camera every time I work outside.
              @shiney my GP's practice is probably an exception, they wouldn't accept my work ID card with photo recently and I work for the NHS. They wanted to see my passport or photo driving licence and to photocopy them. This despite already having my National Insurance number, address, NHS number and complete medical records from numerous institutions. As for postmen one leaves packages by the back door quite happily, the others take everything back to the office where ID depends on who you see at the desk. Parcel Force require signature of customer or it goes to the local post office.
              Hence my desire for one multi use piece of plastic for everything. I don't care if the authorities want to track my every move, going back to school days I was always the one that got caught every time I stepped out of line. Even today I speed, jump lights or overstay in carparks then I get inevitably get caught.
               
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                What would they do if you didn't have a drivers licence or passport? :scratch:

                I have no problem with authority/ies but draw the line at some things. I definitely would not allow anyone to take a photocopy of my documents when I deem it unnecessary. Seeing the documents should be sufficient.

                A while ago I had to have some work done on my car under warranty and I was entitled to a courtesy car (in the contract). When taking the car in they said they wanted £10 to cover the insurance on the courtesy car and I refused - and produced my own insurance that covers me for any car I drive. Although I did point out to them that I was not responsible for the courtesy car as the manufacturer had guaranteed that I get one for warranty work (getting a bit technical here :noidea:). They didn't want to accept it so I asked them to phone the manufacturer's customer services and they changed their mind. They then asked me for my drivers licence (not unreasonably) but they said they then wanted to take a copy of it. I didn't want to do that but asked why and they came up with a plausible reason although I think they were just being awkward. They said it was in case I had broken any law whilst driving the car and they could then show the copy to the police - an improbable likelihood. I agreed but only on the basis that they returned the copy to me within two weeks - and I got them to sign a paper to that effect.

                The whole thing was totally unnecessary but them being officious only caused them problems!
                 
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                I'm still lost on how requiring photo ID is discriminatory against certain groups.
                 
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                  I think they're trying to say that it is mainly the more disadvantaged that don't have any form of photo I.D. (I think that's likely to be true) and they, therefore, would have to apply for an I.D.

                  I agree that I don't see where that would be discriminatory unless there was a charge for it - which there won't be.

                  Just because I don't like bureaucracy doesn't mean to say I don't see a point to having it. :heehee: It's the possible indiscriminate use of it that I would object to.

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                  Even if there is a charge it would be the same one that everyone pays so not discriminatory in my eyes. That some are less able to afford that charge is another conversation.
                  I'd like to see a couple of things; first the figures of fraud requiring the step of introducing photo ID, and secondly what the oppositions plans are in place of photo ID to battle the apparent fraud?!
                   
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                  I've already agreed that they could be a good thing but I do see a difference in cost if there is a charge. I, being more fortunate, already have a drivers licence etc. so would not need to pay for the I.D. as it would be unnecessary. Whereas someone without all these things would have to pay something I would not. That's why I think, and it has already been said by the 'government' there will be no charge.
                   
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                  If I want to do anything that requires me to state that I am me, I struggle as all my utilities are paperless I don’t have a passport but I do have a driving licence which doesn’t count in some instances.
                  I don’t regard an ID as intrusive just a means as to state this is me, but after a couple of days I could buy one on the dark web and be you.
                   
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