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Corona Virus Treatment

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by ricky101, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Well really just having a go at the TV companies, a new scientist every morning, I think they must be real ones because most look like they have been dragged through a hedge backwards.:biggrin:

    Yes Britain does have some good scientists, but the best usually go abroad to do their work, or so it seems.
    I think it used to be called the "brain drain".:smile:
     
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    Blimey, this is actually quite a challenging question @SimonZ...

    Earlier in the year, I would have said that I would have preferred a full lockdown (and much harder/stricter than we saw) as in theory that should have stopped the virus pretty much dead in its tracks.

    Now, however, I am almost entirely at the opposite end of the scale - it seems clear to me that lockdowns are not working, therefore they are a waste of time and money; furthermore, the data that is being used as a basis is badly skewed - and this has been demonstrated and even admitted to be the case.

    The high/low point as to when any intervention should take place is a balancing act and has to be balanced between the outcome of not doing so and the outcome of actually doing so. Currently, alongside the skewed data, we have a complete unwillingness on behalf of our government to change direction or listen to alternative scientific and qualified points of view. We are barreling on ahead based purely on one main specific (number of cases) with a second (number of deaths) following on behind. There is zero filtration for other factors such as age, underlying health conditions or even other health conditions (flu being one in particular) - too may inaccuracies, unanswered questions and a complete lack of trust now stand in the governments way.
     
  3. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    "circuit breaker" another new term to add to the list.:biggrin:

    What would it achieve other than another few weeks before we then need another circuit breaker and then another one.
    Personally I dont have a clue, but it appears neither do they if that is the best they can come up with.
    Other European countries seem to be doing exactly the same.
    Its all a matter of not overrunning the NHS I dont think its really about saving lives, it wont do that.
    The final death toll will be the same at the end of the day, its just this way it will take longer to get there.
     
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      Well done Mark:

      People in parts of the UK with high rates of Covid-19 will be banned from travelling to Wales under plans announced by Wales' first minister.

      The rules are planned to come into force on Friday at 18:00 BST.


      Enforcement details have not been confirmed but it is likely breaking the law could attract a fixed penalty notice, or a fine if it goes to court.

      Boris is not happy apparently...
       
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      [QUOTE if you have a different view, then you are just plain disregarded as a tinfoil hat wearing eejit. Now, whilst I accept fully that there will definitely be views that are just plain wrong, or can be proven wrong, to have their views simply disregarded out of hand is NOT how science works.[/QUOTE]

      I have some time for this point.
       
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        [QUOTE
        Its all a matter of not overrunning the NHS I dont think its really about saving lives, it wont do that.
        The final death toll will be the same at the end of the day, its just this way it will take longer to get there.[/QUOTE]

        I feel it is too early to say whether it will be effective. There are many drawbacks to a circuit breaker, but one advantage is that it at least buys time - taking some weight off the hospitals while we try to come up with better alternatives in the interim.
         
      • pete

        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        Well, at what point will it be possible to say?
        We are not being told the ultimate aim, bearing in mind this is just playing for time.
         
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        I think the first lockdown came too late for a starter - so the virus was already on the wane when they locked down - - continuing with lockdown/furlough etc at that stage was essentially just chucking money up the wall; furthermore, it was using up the goodwill that existed on behalf of everyone who was being locked down. Roll forward these months, and when there may be a case (may) for a further lockdown in the coming weeks, a huge amount of the money and goodwill to support it is gone.

        As for not overwhelming the NHS, is that not what the Nightingale Hospitals were all about? They've been heavily underused, with some even being decommissioned already. If things were expected to be heading back the other way again, surely we should have kept them open?
         
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          A Nano Second?:scratch::doh:
           
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          I was watching the FA Cup on the BBC Red button last night, where supporters were huddled together, no social distancing at all, this is why I won't be going to a local match anytime soon.
           
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            Comment just seen now on twitter - "I don’t know how the ‘learn to live with the virus’ brigade think the NHS will cope. I would make them all do a shift on a COVID ward." Food for thought?
             
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              I'd like to see a lot of those working in the NHS chuck a double decker around in London traffic, s I seriously doubt many of them could. Doesn't stop them complaining and questioning the operation of public transport, does it?

              Let's also remember, all this 'protect the NHS' stuff is all well and good, but in actual fact they are there to protect US, it is their job. They did a hell of a lot of damage to themselves by doing TikTok dancing during the first lockdown. Sorry, but don't come whining at me when you have time to go dancing with a bloomin' mop
               
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                I get where you're coming from but the mop joke is a cheap shot, to be honest. Even amid the worst horrors of the two World Wars, troops serving on the front line had "time" to have breaks from duty and watch entertainment, and so on. I haven't seen the TikTok thing you refer to, but I know it won't have been done at the expense of patient care. Hospital staff have breaks and time off. I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I can tell you those breaks are well needed, and you would be surprised at some of the zany stuff that can go on - in that sort of work you need it as a kind of gallows humour or just to chill out, otherwise you would end up permanently stressed. Yes, I am fully aware it is what they signed up for, and no, I am not suggesting they are saints. My mother is currently residing at the mercy of the NHS and I've nothing but admiration for how they are looking after her. If the nurses taking care of her want to spend the odd break time pratting about with mops then go for it, is what I say. At the very least, a few TikTok videos shouldn't affect our overall view of what they do, or how deserving they may or may not be of public support.
                 
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                  Somewhere between a nano second and a hundred years.
                   
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                  I don't often disagree with FC, but I think that to 99.9% of the NHS it's not just a job but a vocation. But that doesn't mean that it's their duty, by obligation, as in the Services, to put themselves in the frontline of danger just because they get paid to wear NHS uniform.
                  If it was just a job then they could just walk away from it but even after more than 180 NHS have died because they didn't walk away.

                  Neither would they, they are Human, but to go to work knowing there's a stronger possibility of dying from COVID 19 than in other jobs then, to me, it puts them in a place of great respect:love30: for their plain guts and courage that I do not have.

                  Now that's an awful long time to listen to someone trying to convince you that the World is flat.........which it isn't by the way!:nonofinger::dunno:
                   
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