Solved 2 caterpillars on verbascum and medlar - what are they?

hallo, these two were found mid-summer on verbascum (the yellowy one) and on medlar (the reddish one). what are they, the little critter made a real mess of the verbascum; i left it alone and have no idea what happened to it, they reddish one i transferred to the mangled verbascum
Question: which butterfly/moth are they and how should i nurture them, dont mind them nibbling at my plants, i have plenty for both of us





thanks, karaman

 

The second could be a grey dagger moth larvae, really need an in focus picture.
Agree with John about the first. Mullein moths will devastate the common mullein (Verbascum thapsus) in short order, some other verbascums like Verbascum chiaxi are less palatable to them and generally some of mine get trashed others don't. The disappointing thing is that the rather lovely large caterpillar pupates into a small browny moth.

 

Thank you so much, very helpful info; such a pretty thing: considering the amount of damage done, there must have been more than one - i dont regard'pillars as a problem, theres plenty of room for all if each just give a little.... thanks again,karaman

 

hallo,

sorry cant provide in-depth pic of second larva as i have a phone that only takes rubbish pictures and the larva is gone, not to be found anywhere but it does look like it is the right one -- it is welcome, am so glad finally there are such critters in my garden

thanks for help, karaman

 

Last year we had an abundance of cinnabar caterpillars and moth.

This year the house is no longer empty and the neighbours have been keen gardeners. I don't think I'll be seeing any more of those little "tigers", not sorry to see the ragwort go tho...