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  1. Bluejayway

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    Erm….. you want me to sign in to this library’s Borrow Box?
     
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    Sorry @Tidemark , thought the article would be visible. Will try again!
     
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    Having no luck uploading as the name of the file is too long and I can't edit it.
    The article is in the Mail on Sunday and concerns a factory farm in Lincolnshire where piglets are beaten to death (piglet slamming) simply because they're runts of the litter. The farm supplies Tesco, Sainsburys and Asda.
     
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      I’m glad I didn’t see it. Man’s inhumanity to other creatures never ceases to horrify me. Can’t get the image out of my head now.
       
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        It's stories like this that made me become a vegan over 30 years ago.
        People think eggs and dairy are cruelty free, they are absolutely not. For example it's still permitted in this country to kill unwanted male chicks by maceration (basically, just putting them in a meat grinder alive).

        And to get milk from a cow, it has to be made pregnant every year and then have the baby immediately taken away. The cow like any other mammal is highly maternal and suffers greatly at this time. The constant round of pregnancies and milk production takes its toll on the cow; dairy cows are usually killed at about 6 years old (and used for low quality meat products like dog food and even baby food where it's all mushed up), whereas their natural life span is about 20. The male calves are often raised for veal.
         
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          It's uncomfortable and painful to read and hear these things @Escarpment but so important to pass the message on. Like you, I have been vegan for many years (almost 40) and cannot understand how mankind permits the cruelty to continue. And, seemingly, turns a blind eye to it.
           
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          • pete

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            I'm really glad we have the highest farming standards in the world?:mad:
            Admittedly better than some but I always wonder about all those lambs people drool over at this time of the year and then get their throats cut in a few months time.

            I know it happens but the hypocrisy of it all is just nasty, farms are just factories making money, nothing more nothing less, so lets just treat them as such and stop saying how wonderful it all is.
             
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              There have been some horrendous pics/videos of how many animals meet their end simply to satisfy our appetities but mainly taken by undercover "animal activists".
              Time for the major networks to consider publicising them or even, dare I say it, start some proper investigations themselves along similar lines. Some people really may not be aware of what goes on rather than just not giving a toss.
              Noticeable too in the recent trade talks between the UK and the US - no hormone beef or chlorinated chicken ( tho that could quickly change ) but no mention of ensuring the few welfare standards we have in place here being adhered to .
               
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                The problem is people don't want to know how it all happens, they just want cheap food. I have never understood the people that won't eat meat but will eat fish, going by the way bycatch is treated it obviously isn't an ethical stance. The main problem though is where do you draw the line, it's horrible to think of the conditions some farmed animals go through but what about all the animals killed or displaced in order to grow avacado's or quinoa.
                 
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                  Animal husbandry in this country is generally pretty good, but it's certainly not perfect. I saw one photograph regarding the piglet and that was one too many. That has been done by somebody who clearly has no regard for the animals they are rearing and they should be banned for any involvement with them.
                   
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                    Animal farming isn't nice, fishing isn't nice, so lets just accept it always been nasty and always will be and stop dressing it up like they do on the TV, just watched country file, I quite like the programme.
                    But we see sheep on Welsh hill farms all enjoying themselves, farmers look after wildlife, it all very nice, but we rarely see the truth of it all.

                    I guess a programme about a slaughter house wouldn't get many viewers.

                    I think all slaughter houses should have CCTV, there are some really odd people who work in them.
                    I guess you have to have a few screws loose to do the job, but it should be done in the best way possible.
                     
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                      For more info on matters concerning animal welfare you can visit animal aid.org.uk
                       
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                      • Jiffy

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                        It was to be brought in that they had to have CCTV a few years ago,
                        But i have to say that there are some good slaughter house's, one i know which will take out any cow that is in calf and then rear up that calf, but the farmer that sold it sould have checked to see if it was in calf but all cost money so if cow isn't at it best it get's move on so slaughter house which is also a farmer as well gain's, you hear the words "No money in farming" but they can loss a calf and in a year/year half you could have a £1000+

                        Yes farming can not be good but there is some good one out there
                        I've seen on some farm animals that have died then left out side in the field for the wildlife or to blame a dog ;) i won't put up that picture
                         
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                          I've never understood why a lot of people won't eat "coarse" freshwater fish. Carp, Pike, Perch, Zander, catfish etc are all perfectly edible and were eaten at one time. Nowadays no, catch em, weigh em and sling em back pointless, take it home and cook it.
                           
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