Latest Moan From You and Me 2025

One was being interviewed on the radio saying they wanted pay back to 2008 levels but when asked she was still at school in 2008 so knew pay rates when she started
My partner was a consultant cardiologist and thinks they get paid enough until they are fully qualified

 

Exactly my thinking, most on the picket line dont look old enough to remember pay rates 17 yrs ago.
the response when I was working was if you dont like the pay, get another job.
We cant afford them, end of.

I think the government is now on a learning curve regarding giving in to unions.

 

One of them said they wanted £4 per hour rise,

 

The first thing the Labour Government did was to give in and give them something like a 22% payrise last year. It was pretty inevitable that the commie union bosses would be straight back demanding more when the government rolled over last time.

 

I never expected to see this in writing - I agree with something Donald Trump said!!! This comment on immigration

"you're allowing it to happen to your countries, and you've got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening to Europe; many countries in Europe.

But stop: this immigration is killing Europe."

 

If my 2000 salary had simply gone up with inflation I'd have been on £68000 when I retired instead of the £35000 it actually was. I will say I had to change career due to redundancy at one point.

 

The problem with Donald and his mates is they give no thought as to why these people want to go to the US, they believe that by building large barriers and terrorising those that have got across the problem will just vanish. Well it won't people want to move because the conditions are better elsewhere, their old farms have turned to desert, been occupied by large agricultural concerns that pay them a pittance, or just been confiscated. The US needs workers especially, if as Donald demands, manufacturing returns to the US, but his descendants will be too good to push brooms, fix robots and such like.
So short of mass murder; how do you control migration? Well a couple of things, share the knowledge and assets of Europe with the rest of the world to improve conditions in their homelands.
Provide safe and legal methods of entering Europe to do jobs that Europe cannot fill from it's current population (diminishing).

 

And no migration is not killing Europe, as usual Donald just spurts words unsupported by verifiable facts and figures. Also note he has no suggestions on how Europe stops migration, which has been going on since prehistoric times and always much to the displeasure of the previous migrants that came from the same place a century or more earlier.
Allow my child to marry a Saxon never said the Celtic father as the Saxon said the same about his child marrying a Hun.

 

NigelJ didn't we share knowledge with other countries until they thought they could do better on their own but when we left them to it everything went down hill.
How can countries such as this one keep paying for 1000 a week to invade us illegally it has to stop

 

The problem is labour caved in when the train drivers went on strike and they started this all off. I have no problem with doctors and nurses being paid a good wage as it isn't the easiest job but imo other jobs are paid more than they should be which makes wages look poor in other sectors.
During the train strikes I heard someone that used to be a train driver and they had worked out that if their salary had gone up by inflation from when they started, then today they would be on about half of what they actually were.

 

There is a massive difference between controlled migration and what is happening in Europe currently. I totally agree that migration per-se isn't the problem. Having thousands of undocumented adult males just walking in effectively unchecked most certainly is, or has a very high potential to be. We had migrant workers before and during EU membership. We have a much lower number since we left the EU. The stupidity was effectively slamming the door on them and claiming British people would do the job. If British people had been willing to do the jobs the employers wouldn't have needed to bring in thousands of seasonal workers.
Legal migrants have a right to the same minimum wage as everybody else. It's employment of illegal migrants on little more than slave rates which needs to be addressed. Companies claiming those working for them are self-employed in order to get round having to carry out checks need to be come down on hard. They should have to verify that anybody doing work on their behalf is in the country legally.

 

I was earning exactly the same hourly rate when I retired in 2020 to what I was getting in 2011, I was made redundant and had to accept jobs that were paying much less, it was then a case of clawing your way back up.

I really dont get these public sector wages, it's far harder when you work for a small company who is struggling to stay alive and keep its people in employment, which is what my last boss was doing.

 

Sorry but that old historical thing doesn't hold water and never has, we had nearly a million people move into the UK in one year, a couple of years ago.
If it had been at that same rate way back in history I wonder how many billions would be living in the UK now.

Its not the fact we have immigration, its the numbers involved that make it a big problem.

 

On one level yes we taught them the mechanics of the process, but generally not how to source materials, how to market the product, how to do research and development, nor how to manage people, these jobs were done elsewhere or by expats. .
Many of the facilities did not produce the final product, but an intermediate for example metal refinery produces say copper from ore, the copper in either ingot, sheet or wire form needs further processing to become something generally useful and valuable. The locally mined ore is expensive to ship and dirty to process, the copper is clean, easier to handle and process further and easily shippable.
Many of the factories left behind at independence needed investment, others had anything valuable removed and shipped home.

 

Okay so you don't want all these illegal migrants: then let's have humane, sensible ideas and how to pay for them on what to do, given that many of them have no papers, others have no safe place to go. Would you really ship a Palestinian back to Gaza illegal or whatever?