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They are probably better at shoplifting.

 

I think it says more about army accommodation @pete which is notorious for being poor quality and badly maintained with all sorts of issues with damp, insulation, leaks etc.

One of the reasons poor people attempt to come here is because it's seen as an easy touch and, frankly, it doesn't take much to be more attractive than places like Afghanistan, rural eastern Asia, rural Africa where resources are scarce and conflict and opperssion are rife. Inevitably, there are more young men than women and children. As long as the UK does not have ID cards and does not question eligiblity for NHS treatments and social payments it will be even more of a "destination" than the EU which also has millions of immigrants.

It would cost less than all the hotels and other immigrant centres to mount a public info campaign in target countries to expose the truth about people traffickers and asylum myths. A concerted, international campaign against people traffickers would help too and then a kind but firm and well publicised return of all illegal entrants to their country of origin with a very short but fair process to decide who is an economic migrant and who needs asylum for ethnic, religious, political or other reasons.

Immigrants would also need to prove their competency in English/EU host country language and sign documents agreeing to respect our social and legal mores so no trying to impose Sharia law on a secular society whose rules are based on Judeo-Christian principles.

 

If army accommodation is good enough for our soldiers then it must be brilliant for illegal immigrants

 

It all comes back to the super-rich. The reason so many people are destitute in their home countries is down to corrupt govs, siphoning out wealth, and corporate greed by foreign companies which strip countries of resources, leaving environmental pollution, water shortages, etc, in their wake, rending land uninhabitable.

Shareholder capitalism was always leading this way. The erroneous idea that took hold in the 1950s that a company's only responsibility is to its shareholders was bound to lead to disaster.

Unfortunately, turning things around seems very unlikely now, as the 1% own such a disproportionate amount. So, the future may be civil unrest, with the breakdown of order we are currently seeing in pockets being just the beginning of the fracturing of society.

And on a more cheerful note ...

Oh, hold on, it's the moan thread, so I'd better hold fire.

 

It's not good enough for soldiers and especially not good for their families @mac12 but the British army has never really worried about or cared much for the cannon fodder end of the army.

 

The camps would not be inviting, the idea is that they would have no chance of disappearing into the black economy, no chance of getting a job delivering food, no chance of being used by those that want them as slaves.

They would get a similar lifestyle to those in prison, meals and warmth, and a bed with some leisure activities.

If the beaches of France are an ok place to hang out then surely that would be better, and if they come from the hell holes that they say they do it would feel like heaven.

I think they come here and expect more, they know they are on the gravy train just as soon as they are picked up mid channel.
I did hear that the traffickers were only giving them enough fuel to get halfway anyway, and then they call the coast guard in some cases.

 

I think some are dodging joining the army back home others are just out to get a foothold in the UK, once accepted they can slowly bring in the rest of the extended family.

 

Few armies do, many US soldiers come from the poorer states just as in this country you find people from the more deprived areas of the UK.

 

Just imagine what would happen (happens) to a woman (or even worse, a child) in hands of people smugglers.

Young men have the best chance to get through it relatively unharmed, and the best chance to find work.

Women with children are unlikely to be able to take a job.

 

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Yes three hots and a cot should be good enough.

 

You think that's bad. My nephew and his wife took their son to a "Santa in Summer" event a couple of weeks ago. The world has gone mad.

 

@pete you sum it up quite well.
Young men can work, earn money, send some back to support their families, educate their siblings or bring their families. It's not a cheap journey to get here.

 

Army accommodation has always been poor, but having a roof is better than a makeshift tent on a French beach.

 

Under my plan they wouldn't work, I know they are not supposed to now, but a lot do, if your banged up in a camp you cant.

You would get less people complaining about these places if they were not given free reign, its small communities getting inundated with lots of young blokes hanging around street corners looking to make a fast buck, or generally being obnoxious.

They should be contained.

 

What gets me is Border Force vessels meeting French vessels in the channel and having illegals transferred to B.F. vessels who are acting as a taxi service. Meanwhile private yachts are arriving with illegals on board because the B.F. vessels are busy being taxis. This is a huge difference from the RNLI rescuing people from sinking boats. Head of BF should be sacked for allowing this along with the person who is ordering him to do this.