Latest Moan From You and Me 2025

Your name shall also go on zi list Pike.


Yes if you dont confirm your e mail you could be a non person, just signing up and not real.

 

But they are working for often really dodgy people like Just eat and delivery companies that throw your parcels in the river.
The companies in theory shouldn't employ them but they are cheap labour.

Its like all this Bullsh*t, you can make as many laws as you like but if you don't enforce them its pointless.
Starmer is a lawyer, most of those dont live in the real word, lets face it half of them try to get people off who they know are guilty, basically complicit in any crime that their client has been charged with.

 

I imagine most people with any sense realise that a certain amount of their personal information is already out there - the more Social Media platforms one uses, the more chance of adding to it. At present, there is no law which says that as a legal/confirmed citizen, you need to provide fingerprints or DNA to live and access services or to get a job. You will already have some form of ID which should be sufficient.
If the govt is seriously suggesting that every illegal immigrant to this country will be forced to provide fingerprints/DNA, what use will that actually be ? Oh, this is actually person and not a Rhino or a Rose bush - now what do we do ?
Whilst these people are waiting for the govt to say Yes or No why stop them from working legally and therefore paying something towards their keep rather than encouraging the black economy ? If/when it is finally decided that they cannot remain and must return to their country of origin, then the result will be exactly the same but they will at least have made some contribution during their stay.
Perhaps something along these lines is a wee bit too logical for politics

 

If they can work legally they will just disappear, there will be no need to wait until they get the yes or no, they will be in, and never seen again.

 

Which questions, are some employers actually as equally responsible for the cause of illegal workers working in the UK.
In July this year the social care visa for oversea workers was scrapped. The issue was down to the social care providers, where oversea care workers arrived to find themselves saddled with debt, treated unfairly, or in extreme cases discover the jobs they were promised did not exist. It was reported that 470 care providers had their license to sponsor oversea care workers suspended since 2022.The crackdown on rogue providers resulted in 40,000 oversea care workers being displaced.

Migrant workers in the social care sector account for 20% of the workforce. With this visa now being scrapped, I do wonder what long-term plans are being drawn up to train homegrown talent into the care sector to plug the gap.

 

@pete if they can work legally they'll be paying NI contributions and, if they earn enough, taxes too so no incentive to disappear.

I can't tell you how many programmes I've seen about social security and tax fraud committed by noth Brits and legal immigrants because there is no way - apparently, tho I find it odd in the digital age - for the departments being conned out of milions to confirm that A is who he or she says they are and not also B, C, D, E and more and claiming multiple benefits.

A digital ID card would solve that and please, be assured, there is a lot less identity theft in countries who have them than in the UK where you all expect each other to be honest and government to be competent administrators and enforcers - another reason for buying an existing system rather than inventing another British govt IT wheel as they tend to be a bit square.

 

The careworkers who come in are definitely needed, but its not a oneway street, they dont actually come here to do those jobs because they want to help us out, its financially beneficial to them and there is obviously the hope they get to stay long term for lots of them.

Likewise the NHS, its in their interest to come here rather than stay where they are, in much the same way our doctors seem to just sod off to Australia because they think they are hard done by after accepting all the training.

 

I dont think many of them want to work, LEGALLY, they want to work for the trafficker who brought them over or their mates who are already here.

Not putting all into the same basket, but lots of them are not true innocent asylum seekers.

Carwash workers are all paying NI contributions.

 

It used to be that people with lower education went into lower paid jobs such as cleaners and the better your education the better the job you got now we pay benefits to English people and bring in immigrants to do lower paid work, somehow that needs to change

 

Everyone will rise to their level of incompetence, never been a high earner myself, but got by, now hardly anyone does my job and and my old boss is in trouble trying to find skilled people.
Not sure where we are heading, yes I knew lots of people who did jobs nobody wants to do these days.
Personally I blame the education system, that tells everyone they they are university bound.

 

@pete the ones who "prefer" to work for the traffickers have no choice. They take away any papers and don't pay them either except, maybe enough to buy food but not decent clothing or housing as they are shoved onto HMOs with minders.

Expectingeveryone to aspire to university education is ludicours. Mostly it has simpley debased academic university degrees with stuff like meeja studies. The old fashioned apprentice systems produced people who knew which way was up with their particular spanner be it electricity, plumbing, carpentry and so on and people can make very good livings at those jobs. Ditto the old technical colleges and polytechnics - good, practical studies in technology and science and provifing much needed skills.