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ViewAhead’s post sounded to me like the prosecutor should start to bring the case to trial in the next days.
That is unlikely nowadays, to put it mildly.

 

Yes I agree the legal system has tied itself up in knots, its all money for the lawyers, the longer things take the better.

I'm sure they will fit this particular individual up as be a complete nutcase and get him a cushy sentence as he had voices in his head.

Its strange how quickly they can prosecute and imprison someone for writing something unpleasant on social media, but stab someone and it can take years.

 

Writing something in social media is not the same as having a violent spree over days. It started obviously on Friday.

That person will never be released again.

 

I wouldn't bet on it.

 

We've always had violence but the number of "mass" stabbings/shootings has surely increased whether by both children/young people or adults.
Everyone nowadays seemingly has to have a label to explain their behaviour and it quite often seems to be put down to lack of parenting or education, poverty, learning disabilities, SM influence and so on but you surely have to have something else in your genetic makeup to make you go that 1 step further ?
I hope the railway chap in hospital survives and the madman is put away for life.

 

I'm against hanging. But my point was it isn't a complex scenario. Doubtless it will take a yr or more to get to court and he will plead not guilty, so it will trundle on, costing a fortune, to get to what was already known for sure by those there on Saturday.

Justice seems over-complicated these days.

 

A post on social media counts as evidence, but multiple victims, CCTV, a weapon, blood, DNA, etc, do too. If someone can be sentenced within weeks for observing a riot, I fail to see why a crime like this must take an eon to be dealt with.

 

They will have to commission social security reports into his mental state of mind and then decide if he's truly mad, temporarily mad or 'hearing voices' and thus incapable of forming the intention to murder. That will all take time. He's been remanded into custody until the beginning of December for his next court hearing.

We shall probably find he's a paranoid schizophrenic and social services lost track of him.

 

@ViewAhead
A trial is the end of the process which starts with the offence, continues with prosecution asking the police to investigate, and finally giving the evidence for a trial to the court. Police can only investigate if the prosecution advises them to do so.
It makes a huge difference if man slaughter was done because of group dynamics and there is more to expect or if it was a lone action. Since the man itself and his motives are unknown, the investigation has to be done first and yes, it takes time.

 

We still have no more info about the shootings up the road the other Friday. It's all gone quiet. But Sainsbury's, which is below the gym where the shooting was, has installed what looks like bullet proof glass. You have to slide your basket in a square hole in the glass and the cashier passes your purchases back to you on another shelf above. Far more security than a bank.

 

@simone_in_wiltshire, I know. It just annoyed me this morning when the BBC were saying it was all soooooooo complex. As cases go, it just isn't. The man was arrested within 8 mins of the first 999 call, complete with weapon.

Complex would be no witnesses, no perp, no CCTV, no DNA, no weapon, no arrest, no idea who carried out the crime, etc.

 

Whilst we're moaning about stuff, the thing that really irks me is the way the media always need to quote what 'prominent' people have said about any tragic situation, as if that makes the slightest difference. For example:

Prime Minister Keir Starmer said the "appalling incident" was "deeply concerning". And....

The King said he and the Queen were also "truly appalled and shocked" to hear of the attack.

(Both quotes from The Metro)

 

Keir Starmer shoud know better than to say "concerning" when he means worrying.

 

Rachel Reeves must be relieved Dick Cheney has knocked her off the headline slot. I wonder if she had a heads-up he was on his last legs so it was safe to make her bad-news speech, knowing it may not stay long at the top of the news cycle.