Latest Moan From You and Me 2025

It's not crime that is the biggest worry. It's housing. It's NHS capacity. It's that if you import 50,000 people a yr most of whom are men, you end up with an imbalance. The majority are young and will want female companions, as is only natural. As China discovered through its one child policy where many parents wanted a boy, when, a generation later, you end up with a huge number of young men who cannot get partners, it creates problems for society. Factor in many come from places where attitudes to women are not as we would wish and the problem becomes even more pressing.

Uncontrolled immigration (and no one can deny this is not controlled entry) creates issues that we are currently in no position to cope with when the wait for social housing has reached 18 yrs in some areas, the NHS is on its knees, the prison system is strained beyond function, etc.

 

Russ Abbot has released an improved version.

 

Our local tip, sorry - recycling centre, is closing for 3 months starting in January. The nearest tip is about 14 miles and 3/4 of an hour away. The shortest route is almost entirely through towns and suburbs. There won't be an increase in fly tipping will there? No, of course not.

 

All these young blokes are the tip of a big iceberg, they have family back home.
Once they get the green light it's then a long process of getting the rest of the family over legally.

 

The Home Office's plan to house approximately 600 asylum seekers temporarily at Crowborough, Kent Training Camp has sparked significant local concern and calls for protests, particularly regarding the potential strain on already "overstretched" local services, including GPs.

Protests and Public Concern

• Public Meetings: Hundreds of residents have attended public meetings organised by local MPs and councils to discuss the plans and raise objections. These meetings were reportedly full, leading to calls for larger venues or online attendance options.
• Calls for Legal Action/Reversal: Wealden District Council has sought legal advice and is considering a judicial review to challenge the Home Office's decision-making process, which it claims lacked proper community consultation. Local MPs have also launched petitions to "STOP" the plan.
• Community Tensions: The lack of consultation and information leaks to the media have reportedly increased community tensions and led to the spread of misinformation. While some residents have expressed compassion, others have raised concerns about safety and the impact on local infrastructure.

Impact on GPs and Healthcare

• Concerns over Strain: Local authorities and residents have consistently raised concerns that accommodating 600 individuals will put an "additional strain on already overstretched public services," specifically mentioning GP surgeries and medical facilities.
• NHS Sussex Response: NHS Sussex has confirmed that the asylum seekers will be registered with local GPs for specialist care but plans to provide a specific, on-site primary care service, mainly virtual, to support their "immediate and urgent health needs".
• Home Office Position: The Home Office has stated that all sites will comply with health and wellbeing standards and that NHS treatment is prioritised by clinical need, not asylum status. They argue that providing early intervention health services at the site will prevent a greater burden on urgent care services like A&E departments later.

So no chance of a GP appointment unless you come over on a boat, shocking I say.

 

It constantly amazes me how planners, whether local or central govt, forget about infrastructure when bringing in more people, whether new biilds or immigrants. There ought to be a standard minimum number of medical facilities - GPs, nurses, physios, A&E, hospital beds; nursery, primary and senior school places; libraries; sports and leisure facilities; parks and public transport - before any large increases in population.

 

@pete, there is a case going through the courts in the Netherlands at the moment. A migrant was given leave to remain and brought over his wife and 8 children. However, he has two other wives with 5 more children between them and he is insisting his human rights are being breached if they cannot come.



But who pays, @Obelix-Vendée? Why should tax payers fund extra services and infrastructure for use by those with no right to be here who have never contributed a penny to the system?

 

We really need to get tough on those that dump themselves on us, its not something that we or even the rest of Europe can sustain, I think its a problem brought about by the internet, these people are coming from so called war zones and other really nasty places, but those places have always existed, its just now they see its just a journey away to something much better.
There really does need to be a complete rethink about what asylum actually is and what kind of people it was designed to help.

We are not a very big country, a lot of them come from countries much bigger than here, the stress it puts on our services but also our space is unsustainable.

The infrastructure should be built, I agree, but they are not even doing that for our own people let alone thousands of freeloaders, the space is under threat from growing food, now solar farms, housing, I wont add roads as that is one part of infrastructure that is definitely being ignored.

Once we become the third world, maybe they will all sod off somewhere else.

 

I wasn't talking about just immigrants @ViewAhead but all new builds/new towns/extra housing figures imposed by central govt.

I do agree that the current wave of unaccompanied men, usually young and not very "socialised", is a worry and that any that are granted leave to stay must understand and accept British/Dutch/French/whatever social structures and rules and not to try and impose their own habits on us. Clearly what they have left behind wasn't working.

I don't have a solution for funding their stay but it must be cheaper to house them in army barracks than hotels and maybe even have sports facilities or outside spaces to keep them busy and out of trouble. I do also wonder what the UNHCR is doing to reduce refugee numbers and reduce the waves of illegal migrants to Europe in general and thence to the UK.

 

Broken Britain. And a whole load of broken plants too.

 

I don’t know which version is worse.

 

Why cant we grow our own plants?
Never understood all the imports from Holland mostly, they have a similar climate, I can understand imports of tender or semi tropical plants from warmer countries where it is easier to grow them.

 

We are lucky that our local garden centre has grown up from a family run nursery, and quite a lot of their plants are grown in their on site greenhouses, and a few plantations nearby. Of course they also stock plenty of stuff grown elsewhere and abroad, but at least there is a choice. Unfortunately their shop areas are all set up for Christmas, and it’s almost impossible to find any decorations or lights in there that weren’t made in China. At least it is ensuring that I'm not getting tempted to waste money on more stuff I don’t actually need!
I’ve had to add Turkey ( or Türkiye) onto my no shop list, especially after their continued purchases of Russian oil, and escaping sanctions from Emperor Trump. Won’t be able to replace our Audi Q3 after all. Our current one was built in Spain, but the new versions are made in Turkey.

 

I've not been able to see a GP since Covid. I have tried once queuing with others at 7.30am in the rain and then to be told no more appointments today, try at 8am tomorrow. It really ***** me off having paid Tax & Ins all my working life.