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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    But everyone should pay the same the house has bearing on the matter.
    If you wanted to make it based on income that would be different, but if everyone paid something it would be fairer.
     
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      You could drop Rachel an email and suggest this goes in her next budget. ;)
       
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      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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      Is she likely to be doing the next budget?
      I wouldn't want to waste an e mail.:biggrin:
       
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        My guess is she is unlikely to be entertaining her Christmas guests at Dorneywood in 24 days time! ;) Kier may hang on till the New Yr, but I would not put a bet on him being in post by the summer.
         
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          Breed doesn't seem to be much of a factor from what I've read. They are raised/fattened to about 14 months. At least farmers do get some return on their efforts then.
           
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          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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          The worrying part about that is who is going to step into the breech.

          We could end up with Rainer. :frown:
           
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            I agree that is quite a scary short-term prospect. Short-term in that I think it would ensure Labour lost the next election.
             
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              Agreed but a similar argument can be made for not basing it on the value of the property. There seems to be no logical way to base council tax on anything else either. The best way to pay for council services is through general taxation but I haven't the faintest idea how that would filter down to local level and how it would be monitored for not being wasted on silly things.
               
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                Taxation aside, the issue of national versus local governance makes absolutely no sense. How can a system work whereby the national government is Labour (by a long way) and yet a local council (who run all services for a particular town) is predominantly Conservative? Why do councillors have to be aligned to a political party anyway?

                Maybe the bigger question is how can we ever move away from party politics? I have this fantasy of a House of Commons filled with totally independent MPs, where every single action & policy is decided by an unrestricted vote across the House. Far too sensible I know :noidea:
                 
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                  The really worrying part is that Starmer, Rayner, Reeves, Lammy are supposedly the cream of the crop. You may wish to use a different vowel in the last word of the previous sentence.
                   
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                    The trouble with council tax is that there's always some group who will find it unfair. The ill-fated poll tax version charged per adult and was slated for being unfair to the less well-off (multiple adults living in one small home, often, round here at least, because the grown-up children can't afford their own places). Council tax based on property value penalises people who have been lucky enough to have a fairly modest property that's gone up a lot in value due to the area/supply and demand even though their income is may be small. Maybe it should somehow be based partly on property value, partly on the size of the property relative to the number of people living there, partly on the amenities over and above basic living space (surcharges for luxuries like swimming pools and other specific leisure facilities like dedicated home cinemas, gyms etc, very large gardens, multiple bathrooms, large garages, workshops etc so that ordinary homes in expensive areas wouldn't incur those). But the more complicated it gets, the more the very well off will be able to find loopholes. Maybe the "mansion tax" is supposed to capture that whilst being relatively simple.
                     
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                      Looks like some deleivery drivers deliver your parcel to your door take a picture to say it's been delivered then pick up the parcel and take it away with them

                      That why i allways go out to them and they have to hand it to me :biggrin:

                      A person i know couldn't find there parcel once, the driver through it at the gate post, took a pic, then pick it up and though it over the gate, the gate was to a farm yard and the people were renting the farm house, so parcel ended up with the bullocks :)
                       
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                        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                        It doesn't matter how many people live in a house, small or big, each person uses council services, they get their rubbish taken away, (ok not in Birmingham), but they all use the street lighting, etc.
                        So two people living in a mansion are not really using anymore facilities,per person, than ten living in a hovel.

                        Once you start earning, above a sensible level, you should become personally liable to council tax. IMO.
                         
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                          Sorry, what does street lighting mean? There are three lights in 2 miles on our road and they stopped working for four years. That doesn't really light up the street. :dunno:

                          Nor does our 'pavement' instil confidence in walking on it but our council tax is supposed to include maintenance of it.

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                            You'm lucky you got both!! all we get for £2000 is our rubbish being pick up and 2 wheel borrows of tarmac for the pot holes and that if we're lucky, i've even been onto the police + opcc for some form of policing, i've even got a PCSO say that they will do some patrols but haven't seen any, no matter how much we ask we don't get, the villages/towns get a lot more an we do, we get less bang for our buck
                             
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