Two roses

I'm looking for a dark red very fragant rose. The 2 I like are Velvet Fragrance and Deep Secret. I've seen Velvet Fragrance, it is beautiful and the perfume is amazing. Haven't seen Deep Secret. Anyone got either?

 

HAven't got Deep Secret, but I know it well- beautiful, almost black, velvety, and lovely scent.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.justourpictures.com/roses/imgs/deepsecret.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.justourpictures.com/roses/deepsecret.html&h=480&w=640&sz=64&hl= en&start=3&tbnid=7AJ_eoyqF5ALQM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddeep%2Bsecret%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

I see Peter Beales has it... http://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/d/deep_secret.html

 

I have grown roses for 40 years, had up to 130 roses in my garden at any one time, and a superb example of a dark red velvet rose with a heavenly scent is PAPA MEILLAND, the ones I had expired with age and I have not been able to replace them unfortunately.

 

We had a deep secret years ago when I was a slip of a lass. I can't actually smell many flowers but I could smell that one so it must be good.

 

Thanks all. Teajay, if you don't mind buying mail order these 2 places have Papa Meilland:
www.apuldramroses.co.uk/PAPA+MEILLAND-rose.htm

www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/p/papa_meilland.html
I bought some from Peter Beale [Classic Roses] and am very pleased.

 

I do have deep secret. It is a deep read colour with a classic scent and it is my favourite of the roses I grow. I'm growing on heavy clay soil and feeding teice yearly with Toprose. The bush coped very well with the drought this year and is still producing new flowers. With a bit of judicious pruning it will produce long stemmed blooms. It's probably a bit disease prone but then my patch is a bit vulnerable anyway with neglected gardens all around. (I'm itching to get my hands on my neighbours fruit trees!)