ID Polish Tree with big pods

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  1. Dave W

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    Friends recently gave me a couple of seed pods they'd picked up under a tree in Krakow. The tree was about 30 feet tall and the ground beneath was littered with these seed pods. Pods, if straightened will be 8 or 9 inches long and are about 1 and a half inch across. They contain small brown seeds about the size of sweet pea seeds but slightly flatter.
    Can anyone help me with identification please?

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    Could be , Indian Bean tree seeds

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      I think Spruce is right, far as I know Catalpa (Indian Bean) is the only tree with pods that large that could survive the Polish climate.
       
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        Dont look like Catalpa to me.
        Catalpa seed is in a pod but winged, being from the Bignonia family.

        This is a legume, I'm thinking Robinia or Gleditsia :scratch:

        Bearing in mind it gets very cold in Poland some winters.
         
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          Many thanks everyone, I knew I could rely on the GC crew to come up with an answer.
          I've followed up all your suggestions by Googling and have arrived at the fairly firm conclusion that the parent tree was a Gleditsia as suggested by Pete.
          The pods are too long for Robina and too broad for Catalpa.
          I'll have a shot at sowing some of the seeds and see what transpires.

          Thanks again, your replies put me on track and saved me hours!
           
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            I picked some of these up today. After a bit of research, I've soaked mine in hot water. I'll sow them and let you know how I get on.
             
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            I am not so sure they are the Indian bean tree seeds as the pod doesn't look the right shape to me.. :scratch: I am wondering if it is a Black or Honey Locust tree I know the Black Locust Bean or False accassia is another name, can stand temps well below freezing.. Zone 3 Sugar Maples & Norway Spruce temps.! We can grow them here too..
             
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            All can say is that the pods I picked up today look identical to the ones in the photo. The tree mine came from had light green, feathery, cut leaves, giving light shade. Not like the ones on the Ceratonia siliqua.
            I have a Catalpa tree, the pods are not the same as the ones produced by it.
             
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              In Portugal you will have the Ceratonia siliqua, the Carob tree Vicky as it survives well out there, but where it is cold & wet it will be the Black or Honey Locust bean trees (false Acassias).. Same family I think but these last 2 are very hardy which would survive in Poland..


              You may well have a Carob where you are Mandy or one of the other Acassias

              This is the Black Locust bean tree (false Accassia) in flower..
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              I think the seeds that I have are from a Black/ Honey Locust bean tree.
              I'll be in the area where I found them again next week. I'll try and get a photo of the tree.
               
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                Carob bean pods & seeds, they are also called Locust beans by some..
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                These are the Black locust bean pods & seeds..
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                These arethe Honey Locust Beans & pods..
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                Not sure if that helps any Mandy or Dave.. :SUNsmile:
                 
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                  Pretty certain the pods I was given are Honey locust / Gleditsia. The pods are like the top right photo that Marley has posted - a leathery brown colour and with about a dozen seeds in each pod. But I don't think that carob would survive in a Polish winter.
                  Anyway I sowed 5 seeds today and maybe in five years time I'll be able to post a photo of what the leaves look like.:WINK1:
                   
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                  Dave, it should be possible to get some idea this summer.
                   
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