Rose crown gall?

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  1. Loofah

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    Hi, my climbing rose which has never been a fantastic climber (Penny Lane I think) seems to have developed a gall at the crown. I don't think it was planted deep enough so was going to lower it before seeing this.

    Any solutions?
     

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    Good evening Loofah the crown gall pathogen Agrobacterium tumefaciens inhabits the soil where it can survive for long periods,The bacteria enter stems or roots through wounds. The bacterial DNA combines with the DNA of the plant host cell where it ‘transforms’ the cell, causing it to become tumour-forming (galls) and also to produce specific new materials on which the bacteria feed. As the gall grows, the plant tissues become disorganised and normal transport processes are disrupted. I will have to take a copy of your photo and try and crop and enlarge the affected area if that is alright with you my friend,just to make sure of what we,ve got:)


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    This link should be of help:)

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=agrobacterium tumefaciens on my rose&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http://www.allaboutrosegardening.com/Crown-Gall.html&ei=MFJXUOLuB-is0QWL74GIBQ&usg=AFQjCNHrgFp12aYiv5yWl18k866lTvD8nA
     
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    Aha, thanks for that Woo. So if I dig out some of the soil and maybe sever the right hand part (as the gall is in between) discarding the gal, replanting a bit deeper then it might survive OK?
     
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    Hi Loofah the problem being that the pathogen stay's in the soil for anything up to 3 year's,but enough of this ;) If it were me and this is only my humble opinion ,I would remove at least a square meter of soil that includes the depth,remove the infected part,treat the wound (with a sealant)on the on the part you are going to replant put some John Inns no 3 some fish blood and bone round the base of the hole and this time please plant it deeper ;) its a risk and nothing is guaranteed but I would do anything to try and save my rose,I have a Penny lane growing round my front window, have a nice evening my friend :)
     
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    I'll do as you say oh Wise One! One question - what to seal it with?!
     
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    Good Morning Loofah my friends there are numerous sealants on the market,in fact in the old day's we used carpenter's glue and when there was nothing else white paint;)
    but these day's a lot of people use Bayer Arbrex Seal and Heal :)
     
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    Thanks for that, I'll nip out to see what I can find. Might even resort to the paint lol
     
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    All done:) Dug out the soil and chucked it, brought over some soil from far end of garden using different spade / buckets and dumped in a whole load of composted manure. The plant was chopped slightly into good wood which meant losing half the plant which I've attempted to make cuttings from and I sterilised the secateurs in between cuts. It's also now planted much deeper and had a good drink. (Gall in bin)

    Fingers are crossed... Thanks for your help Woo
     
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    Possibly last question! The marks on the stem that look slightly like they're dying in a localised fashion - are they anything to worry about or should I just chop below them over Winter?
     
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    No worries Loofah what I would do(I keep saying that)its just to emphasize that it is not what other's might do;) Just keep a close eye on it if there are any concerns we will sort that out:)

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    Hi Loofah the rose is obviously very stressed due to the crown Gall so this mark could be due to a stress weakness ,as I cannot see any foliage with black spot sometimes it can spread to the cane,patient is in intensive care now and in good hands,please keep us updated from time to time my friend,Thank you:)
     
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    I'll bookmark this thread so I can find it again:)
     
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    wow what a helpful thread. i never knew about that thanks woo. bookmarked :)
     
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