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Very surprising letter arrived...

Discussion in 'Allotments Discussion' started by **Yvonne**, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. Scrungee

    Scrungee Well known for it

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    You will need to visit at least twice a day, plus have holiday/sickness backups (and perhaps a spare).
     
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    Here is a whacky idea, do you get fog where the plot is?
    If so, you could try a small scale version of fog collection for irrigation.
    Obviously the amount of water you could harvest would be dependent on the size of the nets (you don't want big ugly things) and the amount of fog "days" you get.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection

    and here:

    http://www.climatetechwiki.org/content/fog-harvesting

    more here:

    http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/03/07/the-fog-collectors-harvesting-water-from-thin-air/
     
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    chicken? :snork:
     
  4. Scrungee

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    252.93 square metres = 10 poles which is a standard (proper sized) plot.
     
  5. Kristen

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    I don't see why not. The water thing is a PITA but other than that it all looks good. Presumably the council are going to fix their waiting list headache by giving everyone on it a plot on that site, so it will be a heaving thriving community by this time next year - hopefully!

    If it is on your way to/from work, or not distance from home, or something like that then getting there will be no issue :)
     
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    I would be very wary of the Asbestos Yvonne, also that water, or lack of is going to be very hard work.
    Otherwise good luck!
     
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    I'm curious to know what risk concerns you?
     
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    At best; long term lung damage, at worst further down the years of Inhaling it, lung cancer. It a must for Asbestos to be removed by expert.

    I can't give links due to not enough posts Kristen but look at the lung foundation where I got the following.

    Asbestos is not a thing of the past, despite what many people believe. It’s still present in millions of homes and commercial properties across the UK and, when disturbed, it’s a killer.

    People who work in the trades are most at risk of exposure. Asbestos kills 20 tradespeople in the UK every week, including 4 plumbers 6 electricians and 8 joiners (source: HSE), making it the single biggest cause of work-related deaths. It can take up to 40 years for the symptoms of some asbestos-related diseases to develop. Once diagnosed it’s often too late to do anything.

    And it’s more than your life on the line. Turning a blind eye or being unsure about the risks presented by asbestos is not just a risk to your own life and business. Tiny invisible asbestos particles can stick to clothes and tools, meaning that you could be unknowingly putting your family, colleagues and friends at risk.
     
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    No harm in being safe, of course, and I don't want to encourage anyone to muck about with it, but equally I think it needs to be kept in perspective. For sheet ("White") asbestos there is no risk unless / until it is freshly broken / drilled / abrasively cleaned such that fibres could be released. Just "sat there" it won't be releasing any fibres, hence we have left all the asbestos-sheet (basically cement that contains a percentage of asbestos fibres which strengthen it) on roofs and walls in schools etc. as, left in place, it is harmless.

    That apart, asbestos exists in the environment, so you'll get as much exposure whether stood under an asbestos-sheet roof, or sailing across the Atlantic ... WIkipedia says "Studies have shown that members of the general (non-occupationally exposed) population have 10,000-999,999 asbestos fibres in each gram of dry lung tissue, which translates into millions of fibres and tens of thousands of asbestos bodies in every person's lungs"

    Asbestos used for pipe insulation ("Blue" or "Brown") is a different animal, and likely to be dangerous "just sat there".
     
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    I can't say that Asbestos is too high up on my list of "killers" either as long as you don't muck about with it as Kristen has already said. I am somewhat sceptical of some of the medical expert reports, antibiotics were heralded as the cure all, MRSA on my Father's death certificate ? a great friend of mine is now having to use a zimmer frame (was 100% mobile this time last year) after being prescribed high doses of Statins which were, I believe being heralded as the next "wonder drug" by the big drug manufacturers until only a few weeks ago when doubts about the very nasty side effects started to surface into the public domain.
    Rather deal with Asbestos than have to drive on The M25 or M6 in rush hour, that imo is putting your life on the line:) and I would imagine the statistic might prove me right.
     
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    I think part of the problem is that Asbestos is not a single product, but a generic name for naturally occurring fibres which have been used in a range of products and they vary from safe-if-not-disturbed to likely-to-be-very-dangerous.

    Then you have Lawyers paying commissions to Trade Unions for referrals of suspected cases of Asbestosis "poisoning" in the workplace, and the whole thing gets out of hand. Like the "scandal" in the press about the amount of asbestos in schools and how it was killing teachers ... turned out that the incidence of teachers dying (young) was the same as any other profession ... it sells papers though <Spit!>

    The problem is definitely real ... but so is the exaggeration.
     
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    This is my take on it, my council have made the effort (for what ever reason) to clear the land. There will be countless allotments out there who will still have material containing asbestos hidden in plain sight. If I come across anything I know the council will deal with it so I won't be touching it myself.

    I spend far too much time on the M6, I think both my lungs and my back will both benefit from some hard work outdoors.
     
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      Quite so, get the plot first and see what's in it. nowt to fret about if you call council whenever you find suspected asbestos. carefully double bag if small and council dilly dally.
      now we'll need photos of plot and progress please!
       
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      Some years ago legislation was introduced that required all owners of 'commercial' premises to carry out 'Asbestos Surveys' then record the findings in 'Asbestos Registers' which were then used to prepare 'Asbestos Management Plans'. Anybody who might come into contact with asbestos was sent on an 'Asbestos Awareness' course (been on one).

      Which didn't change hardly anything, but 'consultants', 'trainers', etc. did very nicely out of it. Your Local Authority are just sticking to the rules, checking for stuff that should be removed, removing it and advising what to do if they've missed something.

      This is my garage roof, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest, despite having been on HSE asbestos courses and having seen all sorts of pics, I just wont drill it, cut it, or take an angle grinder to it.

      asbestos cement.jpg
       
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