"Donations" to site upkeep?

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  1. *dim*

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    this site ranks very high on google .... get the members to donate, but start looking at large landscaping companies/suppliers renting advertising space on this forum .... they will queue up to buy space

    that what happens on many forums, and thats what generates income to run and promote a site like this (and generate a profit to the people who own and manage the site)
     
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      Well, it is being looked at I have to confess. I'm not too sure that in this economic climate that companies are "queueing up" to advertise at the moment though, dim, but that has to be seen:snork: When we have had enquiries from companies about advertising and replied asking for a small donation they disappear very quickly as they are looking for a free avenue in which to advertise.:WINK1::rolleyespink:
       
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        I think I am on annual subscription,how do I check also as a bonus to supporters you could have a secure unit just for members a bit like anything goes but hidden from Ispy and the non members.
        Just an idea I dont have them often so dont shout I might get upset!!!! :blue thumb:

        Found out how to check payment and done it now I wasn't on annual!:catapult:
         
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          Thanks lazydog, I've passed on your post into the Office, and we'll see what the answer is:snork:
           
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          Right OK, but you dont get a reminder when your sub runs out.
          I paid one some time back, but I dont have a clue how much or when, its not top of my list of things I need to remember.

          So a gentle reminder would not be out of place, you dont need to send the boys round, just flag it up somewhere discrete, like the middle of my screen, with a delete button if you like.
           
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          I think it will be hard to tie people to subscriptions and donations for that matter. For those who are unemployed it would prove difficult and embarrassing for them to find the spare cash to give towards the site and when they can, they may only be able to contribute a small amount when it's available.

          These same people may feel inclined to leave the site if they feel pressured to contribute.
           
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            Dim is right. Its big business. Facebook has been valued recently at an obscene amount, yet it is free to use. Google is another one. Ridiculous value, but free to use. Most of the revenue in both cases is generated by advertising.

            I'm not saying there's a problem with the idea of donations to fund the site, but I think the owners can make a swift bob or two beyond the running costs, and its always nice to see people do ok.

            The small companies that will have appeared asking to advertise and then ran at the suggestion of a donation are not the type of company that would ever generate much revenue anyway. They are the ones whose companies will never make it into the mainstream because they are spending far too much time flogging dead horses by spending hours searching the web and registering with every forum they can find in the hope of getting very minimal coverage. More successful companies will know that you spend a few quid to get an advert out there, get it targeted at the right audience, and then move on. For example when you place an advert on Facebook you spend maybe 30 minutes configuring the ad, then set a price limit, and let Facebook do the work, showing your ad to people that match the profile you've specified in the criteria. Google's AdWords is very similar. The kind of company that runs away at the suggestion of a small donation is the same kind of company that wont spend £50 on a Facebook or Google AdWords promotion, yet both of those things turn profits in the multiple millions.
             
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              We'd rather send the "boys" around, Pete.:snork:

              Seriously though, there are a lot of good ideas and thoughts coming out of this thread and while all might not be accepted or used some might.

              I can only speak for myself when voicing opinions on this subject and they are not necessarily the thoughts of other Staff.
              There are two sides to running a site,[a] the need to provide a good, open, interesting gardening site which helps all members with gardening information and advice plus the bon homie of all the other forums, and the need to gain income to run the site, and bear in mind, this is a non profit site.
              Call me romantic, idealistic and a fool but I wouldn't like to see the open values. that I think GC has. endangered by placing a mandatory subscription on members or potential new members, possibly putting some off for the very reasons that Sheal has stated. We all appreciate the way GC is so different to other sites, it's more friendly, more open, light hearted and always good hearted. That's why people donate willingly and don't begrudge helping with the costs of running GC, because we're all in it together. I agree there is a need for a gentle reminder for those who have subscribed and I'll pass that on, although I think it might be being worked on already.

              The advertising area is not something I can comment for various reasons, one of them being that that subject is up to the Web Master, who I am sure has his own thoughts and plans in that area. But your thoughts are, never the less, welcome on it!!!:snork:
               
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              • Dave W

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                Since the profile and transparency of the 'donations' system has been improved it looks like the level of donations has significantly increased. I'd suggest that site admin delays making any further changes for a month or two to see how things continue before considering alternative funding methods.

                GC is a marvelous "free" resource for anyone interested in horticulture - there's a massive knowledge base and it's a very sociable and entertaining site too. While I'd be quite happy to stump up an annual sub I wouldn't like to see a mandatory sub result in a reduction in the member base as this would reduce the 'value' of the site in-so-far as the 'value' of GC is determined mainly by the number of participants.
                 
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                  We think alike, Dave!!!:thumbsup::snork: I think it will take around 6 months or more to get a analytical view of the level of voluntary donations and subscriptions and at what level it settles at. I don't think there are any plans to change the way things operate. All of the requests for ways to donate or subscribe have come from members and have not been initiated by Admin. All we have done is take in the suggestions and requests and hopefully provided the solutions , without pressurising any member who does not want to, or cannot for various reasons, donate or subscribe.:coffee:
                   
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                  At no point was I suggesting it should be mandatory, I just want a gentle reminder.


                  "That's why people donate willingly and don't begrudge helping with the costs of running GC, because we're all in it together."

                  If that was the case, we wouldn't be having this conversation, or this thread.

                   
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                  Sorry, Pete, my thoughts after the line about "sending the boys around" were not directed at you personally:snork: , but in some posts it has been suggested that it should be mandatory. So I didn't mean for you think I was inferring you were suggesting the use of mandatory donations/subscriptions.

                  As regards to having "this conversation or thread" the subject was not raised by Staff but by members, and has snowballed from there.:thumbsup:
                   
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                  • Phil A

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                    While we are on it.

                    We want those of you who haven't got any spare cash to carry on being members and NOT feel guilty. Your contribution to the site is just as valuable as the next persons, its the wealth of knowledge & good banter that make GC what it is, simply the best.

                    Gardeners Corner has looked after me in times of need, and believe me, i've had a few of those in the past few years.

                    God bless all of you:dbgrtmb: and for the non believers just bless :dbgrtmb:
                     
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                      Well said, Ziggy, exactly my, and others, thoughts!!!:grphg:
                       
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