Jews required to register as such

This is very alarming. We all know that there's trouble in Ukraine at the moment, and its no secret that Ukraine has more than its fair share of fascists, but this is new.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/w...kraine-are-denounced-and-denied.html?src=recg

It seems in some areas, Jews have been handed leaflets stating that they have to register and pay a fine, or leave the area. I sincerely hope that that little initiative gets promptly nipped in the bud. I'm sure that it wont escape anyone's notice that a similar thing turned out to be a precursor to the largest scale genocide in history.

 

It is very worrying, even more so than the troubles in Syria.

One is not amused.

 

Not good news.

We never learn. Just thirty years after WW2 ended Cambodia fell to the Khmer Rouge and became Kampuchea. In just four years Pol Pot and his regime slaughtered an estimated 25% of the Cambodian people.
Then in the 90's we stood by for most of the decade as thousands were slaughtered in the Yugoslav wars.

 

Same here, but what makes it all the more unpalatable to me is not just the pure evil of such things, but the fact that we keep seeing, and nobody learns.

It breaks my heart to think that both my grandads, and many, many men like them (and women, lets not forget that the womenfolk did their fair share too) gave up their youth and in many cases their lives to stop this sort of thing happening. Afterwards, defeated Germany made new laws aimed at ensuring that such a fascist as hitler could never gain power again because they were disgusted by the actions of their own nation. It is easy to think that all nazi soldiers were evil fascists, but apparently the majority of them didn't know the true horrors of their regime. Many believed they were acting to liberate the people of their enemy nations from evil dictators themselves (sounds familiar no? ). Obviously the truth emerged towards the end of WW2 when concentration camps were liberated and the dirty truth came out in the wash so to speak, and great effort was made on all sides to make sure as many people as possible knew what happened, what to look out for, and to prevent it happening again. 'Lest we forget' and all that.

Yet here we are. Almost 70 years on, and we've seen the same thing happen again several times, and we're witnessing the first hints of it happening yet again now.

I remember seeing a TV interview with a survivor of one of the 1990s Balkans wars. He summed it up so profoundly. He said all his life his neighbours had been his friends. Then one silly idea and suddenly the teachers that taught him at school, the older family that had babysat him, suddenly were trying to kill him and very nearly succeeded. How quickly people's views can change.

 

Why can't we live happily together ??
I served in Balkans, and what I saw there will stay with me forever

 

This is the bit I clicked 'agree' about.

I only saw what made it onto the mainstream news. That's more than enough for me. I still can't shift the mental image of kids the same age as my son, and younger, being shot in the head while they tried to run away in blind terror.

 

I had 2 women die in my arms while we were trying to give them first aid, I can't put on here a discrimination of what they did to them women.
I saw bodies of dead children about the same age of my son's.

 

We can see it and we know it, Unfortunately we have slipped so much, we can no longer rattle our sabre and do anything about it, we are toothless,
Not just the UK but Europe
If we were even to have more troops, then the other side just needs to turn the gas off, or IF the other side were FRANCE they just need to turn the electric off

We no longer have a fighting Navy
If the reduced Army were to mobilise, then the UK would grind to a halt as the Army is the TA ie our workforce, no one to make anything back home to keep up supplies

Oh well

Jack McH

 

I agree. But this makes it all the more frustrating. This is blatantly obvious to anyone except, it seems, those in power.

When hitler invaded Poland, our government of the day, and several others, foresaw that he wouldn't stop there. If it had been believed that he would, then quite possibly WW2 would never have started until it was too late for the us and our allies.

It makes me pull me hair out in despair when I read news that Ukraine is going to deploy its army to take back captured buildings, only to see a few hours later that the rebels are showing off their freshly captured toys, or that all sides have agreed a temporary truce, only to see a few hours later that nothing has changed. Nobody at all is doing anything to stop any of this. I can't stop it. Nobody here can stop it, but governments can, they simply choose not to. I can almost imagine the secret discussions happening in the various governments.

"Shall we make a show of military readiness as a distraction, while putting special forces inside Russia and Ukraine ready to disable comms and utilities?

Nah.

Ok, what if we put a full trade embargo on Russia, and then impose a massive import duty on stuff from China so that China's economy is damaged and then China no longer needs to buy anything from Russia, thus further squeezing them financially?

Nah. How about we choose half a dozen people who probably don't want to come here anyway, but could easily source false documents if they really wanted to, and ask them to please not travel within the EU or the US?

Brilliant. That'll teach em".

 

I always thought Ukraine was part of Russia anyway, personally I dont think it matters much to us.
I cant see why we would want them as part of the EU, but then again, maybe they could take our place when we leave.
As for the Crimea, wasn't that the place where there was a war some years ago?

 

I agree that it would not be wise to extend the EU in any direction, and certainly not to include Ukraine which has shown time and time again that they have more than their fair share of very right wing views. But that's not the same thing as saying its ok for one group of people there to be persecuted, or that its ok for the rest of the world to turn a blind eye to it.