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Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Phil A, Mar 3, 2011.

  1. Phil A

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    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    That's going to be a big problem, Ziggy. We've got so foreign invasive flora and fauna getting into our natural
    systems now. As a freshwater fisherman I can remember wading through the shallows of the River Welland near
    Stamford and shooing our natural species of crayfish in great numbers ahead of me. These days all I see is the
    american Signal crayfish. They're in our rivers, streams, lakes and ponds and when I catch one it never goes
    back!! The Zebra mussel has really knocked Irelands freshwater fishing sideways. It siphons the water for food
    really efficiently and has upset set the balance needed for the fish. There must be a commercial use for the Zebra mussel surely??!
     
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    :DOH: It really is a worry.. strange how so many flora & fauna are being wiped out or taken over so quickly these days... We must now be doing so much damage that it has got to this
     
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    The Zebra Mussels are a real problem in shallow waters, but seeing they've colonised half the planet already its something we've got to adapt to. They are good in deeper water, they filter a lot of algae out, allowing deeper light penetration and some fish stocks are increasing due to this and the poo they leave on the bottom.

    Don't think they have commercial value due to the avian botulism they can transmit. Unfortunately, they feed signal crayfish :DOH:

    How do you catch your signals Armandii ? I've set traps but had no luck around here.
     
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    A lot of it, Marley, is during importation of goods, with unwanted passengers on board,the warming of our
    coastal waters, and the introduction of species deliberately. Even freshwater fishing has introduced foreign fish to our waters i.e: Zander, a predatory fish competing with our native pike, the Grass Carp, Catffish, and so on.
    The Australians did it with the huge frog brought in from South America to deal with a bug infestation. It had
    short legs because of it's origin, but with years it has evolved into a long legged beastie capable of spreading far and wide in the hundreds of thousands!! We certainly are messing up this world!!
     
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    Perhaps I`ll start a new career as a shrimp fisherman, then.:P :D Going off topic a mo, Ziggy, what`s a lonk?:DOH:
     
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    During my days as a water treatment engineer we were charged with looking out for Zebras in the treatment works and the issue of the two crayfish types did cause problems (and Im sure still does) with transferring water around the county. From one type of water to another.


    And .. hi to Daitheplant.. trust you are keeping well
     
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    :D I love it when people go off topic, thats how conversations start :thumbsup:

    Click the link that says "This Lonk is posted with kind permission of the webmaster" That will link you to a link about Lonks. The Lonk is in the link and the link is about Lonks :dbgrtmb:

    Try the other links in my signature, no more Lonks i'm afraid but other links not about lonks.

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    Now theres a sentence I never thought i'd hear, "Looking for Zebras in the treatment works" :loll:I'm picturing Daktari now & a water treatment plant on the African Savanna.
     
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    I first started catching Signal crayfish in Cheshire on a series of lakes that used to be a trout farm. Actually, they were catching me as they were trying to pinch my baits of luncheon meat, sweetcorn, boilies, etc. They're like crabs in that once they grab hold they don't let go, and you're then reeling them in. But some years ago, a friend of mine, who I fish every year with for 2 weeks in Rutland, has a big caravan right alongside the River Nene and we cobbled together a trap. We baited it with left over chicken bits, bits of fish, old spam and we caught 5 on the first go. We've made another 9 traps and have a campaign during the 2 weeks to take as many as we can out of the river. Chub will eat them if they're small enough but they grow pretty fast and they're seem to be everywhere these days.
     
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    The Environment Agency go through all the rigmarole of making you fill in an impossible form for getting a licence to trap and remove them from the system.

    Why on earth do they do that when all they need to say is "Well look chaps, we've failed in our duty of care to protect our native crayfish from this alien predator, its up to you to remove them from your swim now":DOH:

    I can understand their concern that they don't want them to spread any further, but they have lost the battle, its too late. So why don't they just get on with the job of letting us eat them ?:DOH:

    I'm sure we can come up with a good recipe for signal & mitten crab chowder.

    Who do the E.A. think they are anyway, telling us we can't catch an alien species that they have let invade our waters.

    They still want our rod licence money every year though:DOH:
     
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    It was a dumb move to introduce it into the UK in, I think, the mid 70's. There was a crayfish plague affecting all the European crayfish back in the 50's and 60's and I believe the Finns and the Swedes brought the Signal crayfish in to make up for the losses of their crayfish. Guess what, not only was it invasive to the extreme but it was also the carrier of the crayfish plague!! Brilliant!, the very experts being employed to protect the European waterways are the one's who didn't have the brains to give the Signal Crayfish a health check. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!! The Signal crayfish eat the eggs of the fish when they spawn causing another pressure on our stocks and unfortunately they're here to stay.
     
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    It does make you wonder how we can entrust the future of our wildife to so called "experts":DOH:

    Didn't signal crayfish escape by being released from fur farms by P.E.T.A.
     
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