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  1. joolz68

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    Nope - it means that the s/markets will get it cheaper!!
     
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      Your daily bread may cost more as we import grain from Russia and Ukraine
       
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        I got £95's worth of fruit & veg from Morrisons this week using 19 vouchers from The Sun costing about £3 after using Tesco vouchers to buy the newspapers The Suns and putting each one in a carrier bag to get a Clubcard point, then using the voucher in each copy to get £5's worth of free fruit & veg @ Morrisons.

        Whether Putin's sanctions would have made that cheaper is highly unlikely.
         
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          The mind boggles Scrungy.
          You have got to ask yourself, WHY?
           
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            Who import a lot of theirs from Africa grown on the fertile land that Africans need to feed themselves! :scratch:
             
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              Right, I'm going to risk the wrath of all and just come out and say it.

              I'm not in the least bit surprised at Putin's response, in fact I'm relieved that for now, that's all the action he's chosen.

              A few months ago, a bunch of very violent Ukranians forcibly overthrew their government. They tore up public property and tried, and sometimes succeeded, to kill anyone that tried to bring them under control. It was not in any way democratic, it was a brutally violent uprising, but a blind eye was turned because it was an uprising in EU/US favour.

              Then equally, there were protests against that movement, in favour of Russia, and people started fighting. The world sat up and listened, because now Ukrainians that were opposed to the EU and US were standing up to the 'pro-Western' Ukranianian militants.

              Fighting broke out, inside of Ukraine. The Russians put forces close to the border, as any leader would if fighting was approaching their boundary.

              Despite the fact that Russia is more than capable of pummelling Ukraine into oblivion, while still reserving enough capability to fend off a western intervention, they chose to do nothing but watch, keeping an eye as the fight approached their borders.

              Then the US, who has a surplus of natural gas from fracking, with no market t sell it too, starts imposing sanctions on Russia, Europe's biggest exporter of natural gas.

              While I acknowledge that Putin is a bit of a [round door handle or decorative post top], I think he's been very controlled in this, and I'm not in the least bit surprised he's fought back with counter sanctions.

              I only hope this whole mess gets resolved while we're still at the silly sanctions stage, and doesn't develop into the military stand-off stage or worse.
               
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                Russia and Ukraine are one's of the biggest producers of grain with the like of USA,Canada and Australia, when one or the other has a bad year or stops selling for export the price of grain goes up, but Russia only sells what it as a country wouldn't use but that can be a lot of grain
                 
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                  Let's all hope for a bountiful UK grain harvest this year,
                  :fingers crossed:
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                  The Malting/Feed Barley is looking good this year, so beer drinkers are going to have a good time:ccheers:, wheat i don't know to much about at the mo. but you can bet that the grain traders will be exporting it then importing some the next day, sometimes you can take a load of wheat to london then go to a farm around london and bring a load of wheat back a gain :scratch::scratch::dunno::dunno::whistle::whistle::huh::huh::ouch1::ouch1:
                   
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                    If we really must have a petty sanction war with Russia, I have an idea that would give us the immediate upper hand.

                    1. Stop buying gas from Russia. We could buy some of the USA's surplus, or we could just try to be a bit more efficient with our use of gas.

                    2. Put a 20% import duty on anything from outside of the EU, and use the revenue raised to fund grants and such for EU based manufacturers/producers. This would have an impact not only on Russia directly, but as China would no longer be a cheap source of plastic rubbish, their manufacturing rate would drop, their fuel requirements would fall, and Russia would lose them as a customer for their gas.

                    3. Bin the government's counter-productive policy of having a minimum of 2% biofuel on the forecourts, so that land that once produced food resumes doing so, instead of having lorry after lorry carrying grain to be made into fuel. I think the governments are right to consider biofuel as an option in their plans to be more sustainable, but the current strategy does not work. It seems daft burning our grain and then buying more from a country we've fallen out with.
                     
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                    • pete

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                      That would put the price of gas up by 20% straight away.

                      Lets do a bit of fracking of our own.:sofa:
                       
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