Sunday trading hours/ Scottish mp's

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  1. Anthony Rogers

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    So I'm sat there reading my AG magazine when i come to the news page.

    There's an article entitled " Longer Sunday Trading Bid Scuppered ".

    What it amounts to is that Scottish mp's have voted against changes to relax Sunday trading hours in England ! ! !

    This is a direct quote from Raoul Curtis Machin of the Horticultural Trades Association....... " We are surprised and disappointed by the SNP. This is NOT an issue for Scotland, where no restrictions exist on Sunday trading ".

    This is just an example of the arrogancy and two facedness of Scottish mp's who want their own devolution but still want to dictate what the English do and what happens in England.

    It's about time tho practice was stopped altogether. Either kick them out of Westminster altogether or restrict what they can vote on.
     
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    I thought there were already plans to ignore Scotland on England only matters, and I thought those plans had already gone through.
     
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      And to think your leaders wanted to keep the " United Kingdom " only last year in the referendum and today the chancellor was going on about "being stronger together
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      Heres an idea.......you get your westminster leaders to negotiate unlimited sunday trading laws on the condition you take all your nuclear submarines and weapons back south and keep them there.
       
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        Hi Wee Tam, you already have unlimited Sunday trading, that's the point of it all.
         
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          True but theres stuff we have that we dont want but its imposed on us from a government hundreds of miles away. I for example have lived through thatcher,major,blair,brown,and cameron none of which ive voted for .

          We`ve both got to take the good with the bad or separate completely.

          But on sunday trading laws im surprised you have such restrictions compared to us and i hope you get them lifted asap.

          On a separate note ive always thought that sunday workers should be on time and a half minimum.
           
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          I reckon it should be the other way about - impose trading restrictions on Sundays in Scotland too. If it were up to me, only the absolute bare essentials would be open on a Sunday, and certainly not huge shops. Families have less and less time to spend together, and many people who are in employment are working longer and longer hours (as well as more anti-social hours), and for what? Are those employees and their families much better off? No.

          It is corporate greed.

          PS - @WeeTam, I must admit that as a Scotsman, the SNP's stance on this particular issue seems to stand out as being nothing more than an 'F you pal' routine; the Trident argument is a whole different thing
           
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            Weetam, you're a bit late. The people of Scotland voted. The issues you raise were discussed at great length in the months leading up to the referendum.
             
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            Yes they voted but they were lied to by the tory/libs and promises were immediately broken as soon as the result was out . Im no lover of the snp far from it and tend to hold all politicians / councillors / bankers in equal contempt.
             
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            Personally i'd move the nuclear deterrent south of the border anyway, its just not safe to spend money building a new version of trident, spending all that money and then Scotland goes independent.
            As to Sunday trading, yep SNP getting involved just reinforces my view of what is going on politically.
            We should move all important government instillations and defence out of Scotland, move the oil pipelines to come ashore south of the border and let the SNP get on with it.
             
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              How sick am I of all this English bashing Scotland and Visa versa. Surely with all that has been happening recently can't we in the UNITED KINGDOM turn our attentions to much more important matters than bitching at each other. You'd think we'd have more bile for the likes of ISIS but obviously not. I am at the stage of feeling ashamed to admitting I'm Scottish and with the way some South of The Border are going on I'm not exactly proud to be British either.
               
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                I'm sorry Silu if you think I'm " bashing Scotland " or " bitching ", it wasn't meant to come across like that, however as was said above by a fellow countryman of yours this is more a case of your mp's bashing England just because they can.

                I only posted this thread in regard to Sunday trading hours, I didn't really want it to turn into an England/Scotland debate on anything other than that.
                 
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                  Well, one of the concerns is that if trading hours are extended in England then employers will just split employees working week to include a Sunday as an ordinary day. Plant Nursery workers are low paid in the first place so having to work on a Sunday for the same low rate when many families still regard the weekend as their family time is, for me, not good.
                  When it comes to being under the umbrella of a Nuclear Deterrent I think it is to the advantage of the whole of the United Kingdom. If we allow historical, tribal, culture, and narrow minded differences to separate us then we, [the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, and the English] have learnt nothing from the past when, in times of danger, we have stood shoulder to shoulder time and again to fight our enemies.
                  Great Britain is a tiny piece of rock surrounded by hostile waters occupied by people of many schools of thoughts. We're all guilty of being insular within our so called "Nations" complete with biases but it's time to recognise that many Scotsmen live in the other three "Nations", as do many Welshmen, Irishmen and Englishmen and there is no white line or fence on the ground to say that or this field is Scottish, Welsh or English. Yes, we do have signs on roads saying you are in "This or that" but so do all the counties and regions in the whole of the UK.
                  For me it's time we all forgot our petty differences, hates, racist views and constant use of history and recognised that we are, have been, and always will be one Nation. If we can't then we're still living mentally in the Middle Ages, paying homage to Tribalism.............Oh, hang on, isn't that what's happening in the Middle East.?
                   
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                      Thats a good idea. ? :rolleyespink:
                       
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                        Our nuclear subs are in Scotland because Scotland is blessed with the right geography for them.

                        There's nowhere else on the mainland that has direct access to deep, open water, where subs can sneak in and out undetected. As far as defence is concerned, for the whole of the UK and indeed our allies, this is important. It means potential foes can never bequite certain where we are.
                         
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