Two wrongs don't make a right....

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  1. Fat Controller

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    Just read this (apologies, its a Daily Fail article); now whilst the tone of the article is clearly horror etc at the actions of the passenger of the car (and rightly so), but there is a bit more to it for me (watch the video).

    Yes, the Audi driver was in the wrong for pulling forward into the cyclists box, and he clearly wanted to exploit the power in his car to blast away from the lights so he wasn't stuck behind the cyclists, however the cyclist was more in the wrong than the Audi driver in many respects.

    Firstly, did he have to do the stereotypical cyclist thing and remonstrate with the driver whilst sat in the box? Yes, the guy in the Audi was behaving like an arrogant door-handle, but was the initial confrontation really necessary?

    But then, to chase the guy up to the next set of traffic lights, and then start gobbing off at the car driver again - well, I'm sorry but he was simply looking for a confrontation, and he got one. I am not condoning violence, not in the least, but to behave the way the cyclist did and not expect some sort of reaction is foolish at best.
     
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      Uh, yeah you do. Especially when the pregnant fish cyclist is clearly gunning for a fight. Well he got a very short one.
      If he had just let the car go past safely then it wouldn't have been anywhere near his foot which he had put there!
      Cyclist rage, not road rage to me.

      Now, in proper news, there was also a link at the bottom of the page for this - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/video-1079093/Woman-rushed-hospital-THREE-HOUR-orgasm.html
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      Firstly the Audi driver should not have edged his way onto the cyclist area,that was just pure arrogance:nonofinger:.... but in this day and age the roads are full of it and the cyclist should have known better than to push it...he'd said his piece for what it was worth and should have left it....instead he took off as if he was in the final leg of the Tour De France....didn't he shift:huh:....and all for a smack in the chops:doh:.....i don't condone violence but you just can't behave like that these days it's crazy out there.....


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      Should the Audi have hung back? Cars are bigger and faster and a bundle of cyclists would block the flow of traffic. It was clear in the video that was happening so the car nudged forward to prevent himself getting boxed in and then having to pass on a busy road after the lights change. Safer, in my opinion, for all concerned. That cyclists seem to get their spandex in a twist over it is comical.
      All that aside, you don't go up to a car driver in London and mouth off or you get smacked. It's a foregone conclusion!
       
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      Sorry guys, my overall sympathy is with the cyclists - not the Audi wallah,
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      No need to apologise Jenny, everyone has their opinion :)
       
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        Yes, that's what the cycle box is there for.

        It allows the cyclists to get to the front and then move across the crossroad before any traffic wishes to turn left. The cyclists are then supposed to move to the left. A lot of the recent deaths in London wouldn't have occurred if the roads had the boxes.

        I'm not condoning what the cyclist did at the second set of lights. He should have let it go. The passenger clearly committed assault and I hope the cyclist decides to make a formal complaint.
         
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          Much as I hate Audi drivers, especially the ones in white :biggrin:

          I have to say the cyclist was a complete prat, the Audi driver did not make a mistake, he knew what he was doing, and the cyclist took it upon himself to uphold the law, in a stupid kind of way, he got his comeuppance, and I wonder if he will do it again.

          As a sideline, I think the way many roads are laid out these days are just set up to cause road rage, I mean, what exactly is the thinking behind letting a bunch of cyclists spread themselves out across the road at a set of lights, its asking for trouble especially if you have overtaken said cyclist half a dozen times before, its just dangerous and crazy.

          Also the old one of two lanes before the lights, that very quickly become one, after the lights.
          Not sure who works these things out, but I bet they dont drive anywhere much.
           
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            Sorry but the car driver was 100% in the wrong. First he broke the law by negligently endangering the lives of others. His intention was clear. He wanted to be ready to be in the lane ahead before the cyclists, and if the cyclist could accelerate faster than he anticipated he'd only have two options: 1) Drive into oncoming traffic or 2) cut the cyclists off.

            Then there's the fact he deliberately passed the advanced stop line. I'm not sure if that's a law in itself or just the guidelines of the highway code, but either way, violations of the highway code can (and often are) seen as dangerous/reckless driving etc.

            The passenger committed common assault. There is no way to dress that up. He got out of the car, approach the cyclist, and physically attacked him.

            Yes the cyclist kicked off verbally, but in his position, I would. At the end of the day, somebody has just made it clear they don't care if they cause you to have an accident and possibly die. That would provoke me to express myself very vocally.

            If I was driving and one of my passengers jumped out while I was waiting at the lights, and attacked someone in the street, and lock the doors and drive away without them, even if it was my best mate, because there is no justification to physically attack someone that does not pose an immediate physical threat. The fact that the car driver didn't do that, or shop his mate, demonstrates his contempt for other road users.
             
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              The passenger shouldn't have lamped the guy, fair enough.

              I agree with the theory of the cycle boxes and what <should> happen but it doesn't. The practice just doesn't tie in or account for location. London is very, very busy with a lot of stress heads and pregnant fish drivers. Cyclists do need to keep that in mind when they fly off the handle at them for whatever reason. I'm not condoning any actions in the video as both parties had faults that led to the ultimate end.
               
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