A spade, is a spade, is a spade

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  1. ARMANDII

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    I've just been down to my sister:love30: to help with some gardening [didn't volunteer] and came back with a busted spade:gaagh: I confess I am somewhat heavy handed/heavy footed but I always buy what I believe to be the best tools for the job. This particular spade is just over two years old. it's a wood shaft with a stainless steel blade, and has split, horizontally, just below the V in the blade where the shaft is housed. :cry3: and at £27 or thereabouts it wasn't cheap:what:
    Since my borders are well established I don't use a spade all that often. My soil, and that of my sister's:love30:, is light and sandy so there's no straining of my tools:dunno:
    I've just been to the Plant Nursery and bought another wooden shafted stainless steel bladed spade of a different make but still another £27 :cry3:
    Is it worth buying a "quality" tool? I might expect a spade to break off at the wooden shaft:phew:, but for the stainless steel blade to fail and split???:scratch::cry3::dunno:
     
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    :scratch: Well I would be pretty disappointed in that too Armandii.. I think I would email the makers & also attach a photo... You never know there could be a faulty batch.... :scratch:
     
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      Not good enough. I would be looking for my money back. Where did you buy it ? That should be your first port of call.
      Very disappointing for you.
       
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        Well, Alice, I got it from Wyvale the Plant Nursery and it was an exclusive to them. I also bought a fork from them at the same time and that has been used more than the spade and is still okay.:thumbsup: The trouble is when bought they both had the "exclusive" metal badge pinned into the shaft but the one on the spade dropped off during the two years of use, so while I will go to see them tomorrow and complain it's now an anonymous spade.:rolleyespink: And, sod's law being in operation, it's the only thing I can't find a receipt for:gaagh:
         
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        Take the spade back to Wyevale, if it is under 4 years old. Under the Sale of Goods act, if anything you buy fails because of a fault with the product, the shop must repair or replace it free of charge. In Wales the time frame is 6 years. If the product is damaged by misuse then, obviously, this does not apply.:dbgrtmb:
         
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          Don't forget that steel can be welded back together again. I break spades, forks etc. with amazing regularity (being incredibly strong you see........not) and my son in law has mended various steel things for me.
           
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            Unfortunately it can't be pure stainless steel as that would be too soft so it will be an alloy.:stirpot:

            Now if it were phosphor bronze then you'd have a spade for life:paladin:
             
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              Take it back to Wyvale, Armandii. Some firms are just excellent and you may have no problem.
              The gardening tools my husband is using belonged to his late father and his grandfather. Quality or what ?
               
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                So Armandii takes his stainless steel spade back to Wyvale and they weld it back together for him?:D:D:D I want to be there when this little work experience lad comes out with the oxyacetlyene to do on the spot welding.:loll::loll::loll::yahoo:
                 
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                We still have Blacksmiths in England Dai :heehee::WINK1::D
                 
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                Ziggy, it has to go back to the retailer.:dbgrtmb: Do blacksmiths work with stainless?:scratch:
                 
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                Stainless can be welded yes.

                Thing that gets me is the wooden shafts breaking all the blooming time.

                Just had another American shovel go, cut the rivets off but need a sledgehammer to get the pin out:DOH:
                 
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                Well, I'll do as suggested and take the spade back to Wyvale tomorrow and I'll let you know how I get on. :D
                I would have expected the wooden shaft to have gone first so I was surprised to find the split in the blade. Anyway, I've learnt a bit more about metallurgy, phosphor bronze, Ziggy?, is that stronger than a stainless steel alloy:scratch: Wouldn't you say it's misleading to call the spade a stainless steel spade when in fact it's an alloy - trade description act and all that:mad:
                I've got some tools, a turf spade, fork and hoe that are over a hundred years old and were given to me from a big old Estate. The shafts are still perfect, if a little used, and the metal parts are solid. I've sharpened the blades a few times and they're still going strong, mind you in the days when they were made they were expected to last a hard working estate gardener for life.:thumbsup:

                I hope tomorrow I don't get a quick lesson in spot welding:heehee:
                 
              • Phil A

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                :D There are different grades of stainless steel, some are alloyed with chrome & some with ferrous metal, the chrome one won't be magnetic but the ferrous one will, so a magnet will really mess up a sales geek :heehee:

                I bought some phosphor bronze bar when I was building a steam engine, intending to make nuts with it. Didn't get very far, couldn't cut it at all :DOH: Let alone put a thread in it.

                Always worth looking after your old tools, they just don't make them like that anymore.
                 
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                I can't match that but I know you're right.

                About 30 years ago my uncle 'borrowed' a pickaxe from his work (British Steel). I'm told it was already old then. The wooden shaft had curved slightly due to constant use over the years. At some point my dad borrowed it off my uncle, and still has it. It is still going strong despite regular use.

                A few years ago I bought my own pickaxe. It's rubbish. I still prefer to borrow my dad's ancient one that is, I believe, considerably older than me.

                At my mam's, an steel shovel that belonged to my grandad is still there. Its about an inch shorter than it once was and is razor sharp, due to wear, but its still going strong.

                Sometime I look around the car boot sales for ancient tools because it seems to me there were just indestructible. Not like the baco foil you buy nowadays.
                 
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