Great growing season, how to duplicate in a dry season?

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    For me its been a great growing season. I can't believe how much my relatively young plants (e.g. hedges planted between 18 months and 3 years ago) have grown.

    They have grown far more than previous seasons, even thought they have been irrigated previously (but this year not at all, so far).

    Admittedly my irrigation was a bit hit and miss - not week-day timer to ensure they were watered like clockwork - but they were watered most weeks, once a week, for several hours (using leaky hose).

    Should I not be able to get "even better" growth in a sunny, warmer, season with adequate irrigation, or is there more to it than that?

    I'd really like to get this amount of growth on all 1, 2 and 3 year old plants in future :)
     
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    I'm no expert but this is just a feeling I have - hedges, and similar, always benefit most from wet spring/summers. Irrigation never seems to do the job as well. The weather this year has favoured growth of greenery and I've noticed in the garden that all greenery has grown quicker than normal. My hedges, privet and laurel, have needed much more cutting than in recent years.
     
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      My feeling too. I've seen it before in "wet" years

      Indeed, but that's irrational isn't it? Irrigation and more sun should do an even better job? (assuming no extreme temperatures). There would probably be warmer nights in a sunnier season, so plants would keep growing ...

      Being one not to ask for much!! I'd just like to work out, if possible, how to irrigate to get stupendous growth in a sunny season too :)
       
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      I think that the amount of irrigation done is never as much as a good rainfall and you need at least five times the irrigation time as rainfall. Sorry, that number is just off the top of my head but I don't think it would be all that far out.
       
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      OK, that's a good place to start.

      How do I measure irrigation?

      I could place a shallow tray under the drip hose. Lets assume that the tray is Xcm wide (length irrelevant as its along the length of the hose). I measure the depth of the water, in the tray, after an hour's irrigation (say).

      Next I decide that my "hedge root area" is Ycm

      So I can scale up the width of my drip-tray Xcm to the width of my hedge root Ycm

      That will give me "inches of irrigation" across the width of the hedge root (e.g. "per hour of irrigation run-time").

      Is that how you see it working too?

      So then you are saying I can "scale" that to the rainfall that I would like? We get about 30mm per month on average, so perhaps I aim for a 5x multiple of that (taking your starting point)?

      I'm still curious why if I get the irrigation qty and frequency correct I can get the same growth rate as I have had this year, but I agree with you that Irrigation is nothing like as good as Rainfall ... but I dunno why :( :( :(
       
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      I think it's the volume of water that gets to the roots.

      Don't forget that with the way you are measuring you are calculating irrigation across the width of the root area. I assume that the outer root area will have less than the inner root area - otherwise you will have to widen the 'tray' to account for it.

      Whereas, with rainfall, you would get even soaking across the area with seapage from outside the area. The effect of moisture in the soil outside the area would be to encourage the roots to spread even further. Therefore allowing better uptake of water and nutrients. This almost seems to be the reverse of Zeno's Paradox! :scratch:
       
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      Hmmm ... maybe a single drip-hose along the line of the hedge plants is not enough then, and I need additional "runs" at 1' and 2' from the stems to get a more "even" watering.

      I was assuming that if the plants roots are reasonably "down" (rather than all at the surface from frequent, light, irrigation) that soaking the hedge row would get water to the rest of the area [where the roots are] by capillary action. The plants (to use my hedge as an example) are well mulched.

      Shiney's paradox maybe?!!
       
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      To a certain extent I think you're right about the depth of root. Most hedgerow tree/shrubs put down taproots for water and feeding roots out sideways but the wider the feeding roots spread the better the feeding (I presume).

      With watering along the line of the hedge the water may go down and the taproot will follow. The capillary action disperses the water outwards, whereas the rain helps deepen the water table with no loss of dispersion into a dryer area.
       
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      No problem just instead of a leaky hose, Put on a Fire Hose full blast 24/7 :)
      Along with lots of ICE packs

      If you can remember one of your waterbuts from the greenhouse roof filled the full 45gallons overnight continuos rain, then put a length of your leaky hose along the roof, and you will find it has but filled 2.5 gallons so you need 18 times more water out of your leaky hose system simples :-)

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        I've had unusual hedge growth this year too. Whilst the veg has withered/died/been eaten, the hedges have flourished.

        Are we missing the CO2 in the leaves factor?

        In a hot summer the leaves will close the stomata between 10 & 14.00 hours to prevent water loss, meaning any CO2 is quickly used up & thereby stopping photo synthesis.

        As the summer has been pants, the stomata may have remained open, letting the photosynthesis carry on for much of the day. All be it at a reduced rate due to the lack of sunshine but there has been enough infra red getting thru to keep the solar water heating steaming all thru that time.
         
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          OK ... so my basic sums:

          10mm of rain on 10M of hedge, and allowing a 120cm (4') width. (I think this is generous width for a young hedge though). That's 12 litres per Metre.

          I water for about 2 hours and my hose delivers a 10L bucket in a minute or so.

          (120 minutes * 10 Litres) / 50M [leaky hose length] = 24 litres per Metre.

          I doubt that the leaky hose "leaks" as fast as water flows out of the hose(**), but assuming it comes out at half the unrestricted rate I'm putting on about 10mm per 2 hour watering. I do that once or twice a week. Average rainfall here is about 40-60mm a month. So I'm in the right "ballpark" I reckon.

          This year we have had 100 - 140mm in each month Apr-July.

          (**) I've seen "water timers" that work according to the volume of water delivered, I think I might invest in one of those instead of a "clock" type, then I would know the Litres-per-Metre that I had put on, which would be a better starting point :)
           
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            Good point Zigs. What temperature does this occur at?

            Reason I ask is that in a good Summer there will be a significant proportion of days that are not "roasting hot" I reckon.

            I also think that nights will be warmer, and thus growth can continue at night rather than stall (I'm assuming nights this year have been cooler ...)

            Good point. I will check my Solar system and see how many kWh I've had month-on-month compared to previous years.
             
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            I'm never sure that climatic conditions in Shineyland are any guide to general trends in growth. We have had a lot of warm to hot days even through the colder periods within 10-20 miles away. Neither have we had as much rainfall - but this year we have had considerably more growth than usual. I cut the privet hedge on 20th May and still had to cut a further 3ft of new growth from it two weeks ago.
             
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            In addition to CO2, what about nitorgen?

            I'm sure we've all noticed how there is always a growth spurt after a good thunder storm. Lightning converts nitrogen in the atmosphere into nitrates (the chemistry/physics is over my my head). But we know rain drops pick up all sorts out of the atmosphere as they fall, so rain water is not exactly the same chemical composition as tap water, which has been through all sorts of filtering processes.
             
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              Interesting - rainfall includes a foliar feed tonic ...

              Plants always seem to enjoy the rain, even if its a poxy 0.000001mm its better than when I poured a Litre onto their roots. Maybe that's the reason - stomata-open, foliar-tonic.

              Just need to "bottle" that now :)

              I was pondering overnight whether a "spray" of the foliage (late evening, whilst watering say ...) would help.
               
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