Whaaattt?

I still think the Iranian regime is an affront to humanity in general and women in particular but whole scale bombing is not the answer.

 

So would you just talk nicely to them, or just leave them to it.
Personally I'd leave them to it, what they do in their own country is up to them, but I'm not sure they would not threaten other countries if they had nuclear weapons, so that kind of thing would be my worry.
How fa r they off they are from a nuclear ballistic missile is not something I would know, but I think that they are just crazy enough to use them if they were.
Sorry but I just would not trust them in any way.

 

I think one problem with trying to bomb Iran into submission is that being martyred is a good thing in their religion. I think Trump may not have taken that into account. He is used to others backing down when he bullies them. My guess is that this isn’t going to end quickly or smoothly.

 

They're already referring to the dead ayatollahs as martyrs and a spokesman has gone online and apologised to their Arab neighbours who were attacked saying that the bomb that took out their beloved leader also took out senior military officers and the attcks on neighbours were orchestrated by junior but ardent military officers.

It'll be interesting to see if that calms things down but I've seen reports that the Arab gulf states are just a teeny bit cross with trumpy and co and are talking of withdrawing all their investments in the US. That's trillions of dollars.

Oops!

 

I agree you cant bomb a country into submission, neither can you bring regime change buy invasion, it never works, but the alternative is to allow these weird people to threaten the world, to me Iran is more dangerous than Russia if they get their hands on nuclear weapons.
The only good martyrs are dead ones.

The Gulf states should now see what a load of liars the Iranians are, if they take that onboard they must be pretty gullible but who can fathom religion.

 

They're already referring to the dead ayatollahs as martyrs and a spokesma, has gone online and apologised to their Arab neighbours who were attacked saying that the bomb that took out their beloved leader also took out senior military officers and the attcks on neighbours were orchestrated by junior but ardent military officers.

It'll be interesting to see if that calms things down but I've seen reports that the Arab states are just a teeny bit cross and are planning to withdraw all their investments in the US.

 

I think we have seen enough suicide bombers to realise they like to die and kill as many other people as possible in the process.
If that makes them a martyr then so be it, the best part is they don't get to do it twice.

The only thing that will calm things down is when Iran runs out of missiles.

 

The Moral Maze on Radio 4 - this latest war under discussion - definitely some very contradictory facts and opinions and differing interpretations of "morality".

I'm not sure that it is reasonable to equate shooting 2 citizens in cold blood with the WFA issue. Go down that road and you could also ask if Boris was responsible for those who died from the Covid virus due to his govt's mishandling of the pandemic. I can't say that this or previous govts here always handle protests fairly but they don't use live ammunition - yet anyway.

One thing we should be grateful for is that we can say what we think ( within reason ) on this forum without fear of being killed by the Admin team

 

I could well be wrong but hasn't the US already sunk various ships in International Waters over the last few months?
China slinks along quietly and will always take advantage of disruption in other areas whenever possible. They just don't always make quite such a noise as the others do.........."keeping their powder dry" seems an apt description.

 

The US has been giving data to Ukraine on Russian movements, there is nothing new in allies spying for other countries, but not formally involved, I'd be surprised if they weren't.

What I thought was a bit odd is Iran apologising to it gulf neighbours about the attacks on them, and then blowing up a tower block in Dubai, hardly a military target.

Or do the Iranian missiles not have very good guidance.

 

Seems to be an awful lot of accidental damage going on if that is the case, surely all missiles should be aimed at US bases, but none seem to be reporting hits, ok maybe they wouldn't let on but the Iranians are hitting oil refineries and instillations, and then apologising to their neighbours.

 

China, as ever, is playing a long game and trumpy is walking right into their parlour game. He is severly lacking in IQ and EQ and has always been a bully with a short attention span except when it comes to saving his own bacon.

Time he was taken out - there are enough legal precedents for him to be arrested and charged with all sorts of crimes. Trouble is, his VP is not senile, just vicious and stupid so he'd need to be removed too and Hegseth and the current head of the FBI and Homeland Security and probably the CIA and all the idiot admirals and generals who've gone to war with no congressional assent - also illegal.

 

@Fat Controller, very interesting.

China is way smartly than the US and way stronger militarily, with way more patience to boot. The only slightly odd thing is it has a history of being anti-religion, and specifically anti-Islam. I think the Muslim world could have a shock in store if it thinks China is "on its side". China is out for China and plays a very strategic, very long game. The US, on the other hand, goes for instant gratification.