A lot of work to do.......

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    I take a different view. The ground has been maintained before, and seems to be in good heart, I would get it all under cultivation. Winter, except when too wet to work the land, is the best time to cultivate the soil. If there is space enough for the machinery I would get it ploughed (not rotavated). Ploughing will bury the top inch or so into the previous furrow, thus burying the weed seeds on/near the surface. If I was to dig it by hand I would do much the same - use a spade to strip the top inch and chuck that into the bottom of the digging trench.

    By the Spring the frosts, if we get any this winter!, will have broken down the clods and it will be easy to get a fine tilth.

    For a first-time gardener the bit-by-bit strategy is sound, but I think for a seasoned gardener a better route is to get it all under cultivation - with mechanical help if appropriate :)
     
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      I see you've got the staff working :heehee:

      Best wishes with the plot :blue thumb:

      I'm not too keen on asking GC members near you to give a hand - unless you put a 20 mile radius on it. :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
       
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        Good progress already Nathan! Hope you'll recruit all your neighbours onto the forum :)
         
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          That was my thought as well, where possible I am currently pulling everything out by hand, I haven't even used a fork on the bit in the picture, the soil really is in good condition, and would like to get it cleared asap, and as you say, before any frosts.

          It was suggested by Zigs to create a BIG compost heap and save some wee up to pour over the pile to give it a start :)

          Yes, I do have some staff :)


          I haven't really met any other plotholders near mine, as I have only been over there yesterday to do a little bit, and as it is quite a large allotment (100 plots), and I am stuck near the far end, I haven't seen anyone yet :) , there is still time to get them on here, I may ask to put a notice in the notice board :)
           
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            I would recommend doing that on an on-going basis (perhaps less so in Winter though). I pee on mine every evening when I close the greenhouse (in Spring / Summer). Draught is good :) ... but you might need to give thought to how conspicuous, or otherwise!, the location of your compost heap is :heehee:
             
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              That's at least 2 year's weed seeds, and more if it was neglected before they took it on, so I suspect any ground cleared will be immediately smothered by weed seedlings. When I've taken on plots like that I divide them into 4m wide beds, use mulch extensively, only leave a small amount uncovered (except for spuds) and try and get everything to a decent size growing in modules or pots so they've got a head start on the weeds when they're planted out. It's heart breaking to have all your tiny seedlings smothered by faster growing weeds.

              I grow tomatoes, courgettes, cucumbers, pumpkins, beans, sweetcorn and strawberries through mulch after strimming, rotavating (twice in hot weather helps burn the weeds up), raking level then pegging the sheets down with U shaped bits of fencing straining wire. This year I've got half my autumn garlic planted through mulch, but wont know how successful that is until the summer.

              Here's a few pics of the last plot I took on:

              I didn't bother weeding but rotavated straight through the weeds
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              After raking level and trimming edges
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              At the end of the season, after my cordon tomatoes had been pulled up
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              What it looked like under the sheet at the end of the season. (It could have been left down to keep it weed free over winter/spring)
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              One of my strawberry beds (taken this morning and looking rather tatty, but the 300 or so potted up runners in a polytunnel look much better).
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              P.S. A 1m wide strip of Mypex around a polytunnel will keep it weed free and allow water to pass through so the ground wont dry out and develop a giant crack where the cover has been buried.
               
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                Managed to get another hour and a half over there today, and, if I am really honest and not trying to blow my own trumpet...... I got a lot cleared.

                All I have been doing is raking the top dead growth off and creating piles as I go, then by gloved hands, grabbing at whatever is there and pulling it up. There is a great satisfaction when you grab a clump and pull up a 'sheet' of weeds, the ground is soooooo loose and free draining, weeds are currently having trouble to get a grip within the soil, as a little tug is all they need, to be removed, I actually removed the largest 'weed' today, a huge Mallow which had its main root in the ground by some 14"+, it took a pull, but it came out after a very quick soil loosening with a fork.

                The use of any tools so far has been really minimal, with the main tool used being my sturdy rake (as mentioned above), I reckon within the next 2-3 hours spent, I should have the whole area easily cleared and ready for either a dig over, or a may even consider a rotavator/cultivator, then it is just a case of keeping on top of any weed growth as they appear, which I think will be the easiest route.

                Anyway, I have uploaded a video as a 'walk round' for you all to see.....



                And a couple of pics looking at the allotment from the front looking in :-

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                  It seems like you've got a decent sized shed, three compost bins and a water barrel FOC.

                  That's a real boon. I have heavy clay that stays cold for longer, delays cultivation when it's wet and then suddenly bakes solid when it warms up.

                  A few pics of what's growing for ID purposes might be interesting.

                  There's probably a rhubarb patch on it somewhere. I've seen many take on an allotment whilst a highly productive patch has been hiding underground and make their bonfire on top of it.

                  P.S. What are those 'fences' for - is there a rabbit problem?
                   
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                  Phew - that's a fair sized plot Nate.
                  excellent - thanks for the vid update - loved it,
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                    There are 2 compost bins, the water barrel is on a neighbouring plot, just the fence is down.

                    We are not allowed bonfires, only on bonfire night.... I was going to ask the guy that runs things if I can get an incinerator bin, as in theory, it's not a bonfire :)


                    Supposedly, there are rabbits, also I was told there are stoats etc as well, which surprises me, as I only live across the road, and I have never seen Rabbits or Stoats, but then this is on a side of the road which has got farmland and unspoilt (read, left to nature ;) ) land,
                     
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                      I've got pidgeons, rabbits, voles, rats, moles, shrews, mice and muntjacs
                       
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                        Hire a [big!!] chipper for the day maybe?

                        It will chop up the weed roots, but I'm sure you know that. Gives you a flying start, and so long as you can keep on top of the pernicious weeds in the first season "Never let them see a Sunday" I expect they will be donefor thereafter. I would go for a walk-behind self-propelled cultivator, rather than a rotavator where you take the wheels off and just use the cultivators for digging and propulsion. I find it much easier to get them to dig in.
                         
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                          That was my thought, get the whole patch dug over quickly using the rotavator/cultivator and then as the weeds show themselves, they will be easier to remove.
                           
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                          I was over there again today, so cracked on with some clearing ........

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                          As you can see, the numbers (and size) of piles of rubbish is increasing... Including this 'Barrier' at the front .....

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                          Just as a quick recap....

                          When I first took over the plot and before doing anything :-

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                          And I think I have only spent around 3 1/2 hours in total so far.

                          I collected my Polytunnel yesterday, as the seller is local, and wanted to get one before the price increased any further.
                           
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                            Nate,
                            stop tempting me with these all these piccies
                            - I feel a box of matches coming on.....
                             
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