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    Ahhhh a feast of replies and very useful too, ta.

    Just started having a butchers at local indepedent garages for starters, no panic to buy and taking my time, not got a particular motor in mind but more something to fit requirements and budget. Second car so basically a runaround but nice and capable of regular motorway runs. Economical. Not fussed about 'driveway looks' or gadgetry nice and clean and tidy is good. As I said, not bought for a while so way out of the loop but hoping for a reliable thing for between 3-5k preferably lower end if I can get that?, pref 5 door hatchback, something the size of the Astra or Civic, something to get a fair bit in the boot, something with lowish miles as I plan to keep hold of it till it gets knackered (not one for chopping and changing models etc). Flexible really but keywords reliable and economical. :smile: Am I asking too much p'raps?

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    Easy within your budget I'd say - Ford Focus would be a good starting place, or a Golf, or even a Toyota Auris? I've not heard great things about the Civic in reliability terms, which is odd as Honda's are usually bulletproof :dunno:
     
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    Thanks FC. A friend has a Focus so might chat him up about it and maybe take it for a spin. I thought maybe the Auris and Golf might be beyond my means as I'm hoping for not a ton of miles on the clock. I guess I'm looking at a car maybe 5-7 years old? People seem to hang onto Civics as few and far between in this vicinity and very few Toyotas. What you see are a fair few Astras Hyundai and Kia Ceed and the Focus which look in my bracket. So I've got somewhere to start.

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    Kia Cee'd - smashing wee cars. A colleague has one and it is a belter, not a moments trouble with it.

    Toyotas generally can't be killed with a big stick, they just go on and on. Don't rule out the Skoda Fabia or even the Octavia - the Octavia shares its platform with the Golf and they are incredibly well built

    The Focus, well they are a bit like bums - everybody has one. That's a good thing though as they are easy to run, and actually drive really well

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      Oh, and while I remember, avoid automatic Astras - I know of three people that have had them, and all three have had the same fault (water gets in from the cooling system due to a rad failure, and knackers the gearbox - - if you are very lucky, you find out about the leak before any real harm is done, if not its a new gearbox at a stupid price, which is more than the car is worth); and at least two of those have had their cars from new with a full Vauxhall warranty.
       
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        My one and only Toyota just went on and on until it went KABOOM, and literally projectile vomited coolant out of its burst radiator. I fixed that, then a few weeks later it went KABOOM for its final time, when it blew its cylinder head in the most spectacularly impressive fashion.

        Out of curiosity, what sort of autobox is in my Gothilda? She changes up and down like a manual but without me doing it. I.e. the revs pick up, then changes up very positively (if you're flooring it you feel the kick of the gear change), and then comes back down through the gears like a manual when decelerating. So its not one of those constant velocity thingies, but as far as I'm aware, there's not much in the way of electronics doing the gears. There's some. Apparently a solenoid locks the torque converter when she drops into overdrive, and another one can lock her into the lower gears for towing and descending hills etc, but from what I gather, most of it is all about oil pressure operating all sorts of mechanical magic.
         
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        Just an ordinary old fashioned "slush box". As I recall it was made by Aisin Warner. Ordinary three speed auto with an overdrive unit nailed on the back of it (cheaper than developing a four speed unit). More or less bulletproof!

        Spot on! As I recall, even the kickdown is controlled by fluid pressure and a cable................
         
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          Part of a tie up with Borg-Warner for a while if I remember correctly?

          As with everything, the continual push to make things more powerful, lighter, cheaper and less polluting has forced the move away from the slush boxes to boxes with much more electronic wizardry. I remain to be convinced that reliability is as good from the modern boxes though,

          Taking the Vauxhall as an example - one of the guys I work quite closely with bought his Astra brand new, its got a full history, and has done something in the region of just under 60k - its a 2007 car. Now, he had the failed rad problem and on his it didn't show until such times as the gearbox had been terminally damaged - the bill to put it right is considerably more than the car is worth, so he has a 6 or 7 year old car with 60,000 miles on the clock, in nice condition and its essentially a write off.

          Don't get me wrong, modern motors are leagues ahead of their counterparts years ago, in terms of reliability and in terms of performance - - the trouble is that nowadays when they do go wrong, they financially rape you.

          I tried banger-nomics for a while, but the cars just didn't stand up to my usage without quite a bit of tinkering, and I don't have time for tinkering with cars anymore; that, and the fact that I need to be able to jump into a motor and just go at a moments notice, as I am an on call manager that can potentially have to attend incidents many miles away - - I am left with the choice to buy the very best second hand that I can afford, as I cannot quite afford a new car (I did look at a brand new Kia Cee'd as the 7-year warranty really appealed), and that is the main reason that I tend to go for Jags/Audis, as there is a bit more money in them when they are new which usually translates to better quality components
           
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            I think every time there is a sudden shift in technology, there is a bad batch of cars. This is as true with new cars as old ones, suggesting the problem has existed for a while.

            For example, around 2000/2001, the EU tightened up on the emissions laws, forcing manufacturers to try extra hard with the electronics and other witchery in the engine. I had a 2001 plate car once. It had less than 50k on the clock when I bought it, and it was only 3 year old. It had so many things wrong with it that I had to resort to legal action to make the dealer take it back. I know of several others with all sorts of makes and models, ranging from the luxury end down to the budget runabout end that have all witnessed similar woes. But a couple of years either side of that and there seems to be some decent reliability going on. Gothilda is one of the last 940s, registered in 1998. Tocuh wood, she is still going strong, but looking on the Volvo forum it seems her successor and close relative the early V70, is a bit of a chore to look after. I had an early Vectra that was rubbish too, and my first car was a Ford Escort, one of the first Mk5s if I remember right, and that was dire, yet again, either side of that change of hardware and people speak of reliability and good built quality (within the range).
             
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              To be honest, any Vauxhall after the Cavalier was rubbish in my opinion; Ford seem to come and go - the very last of the Escorts were good, but the one before it (around 1991-ish?) was utterly awful. The Sierra started well, went right off the boil, and then the last ones were cracking (I had a Sapphire which was an absolute cracker in every way);

              To be fair, the same can be said of VW - I had a B5 Passat (a '99) and it was awful in terms of reliability, yet the end of that generation (B5.5) were virtually unburstable; the B6 that I just got rid of, was a disaster for so many owners (and actually put a large number of people off the brand for good, it was so bad), but I believe the B7 is bang on the money.

              The really ironic thing is that Skoda were the poor relation when VW took them over, and yet now their reliability, build quality and customer satisfaction tends to beat VW hands down all over the place.
               
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                I had a Cavalier. I loved it. It was rock solid, comfy, and performed very well. Just the bog standard 1.8LSi, a mere 90bhp, but it could go. That's why I got a vectra after the Cav had passed on. I swore then I'd never own another vectra as long as I live.
                 
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                Agree 100%!
                 
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                I loved mine too til I killed it - it was a 1.6 saloon - B373MSM. I had a mate who had an E-reg 130SRi and I followed him home from Carlisle one night. He wasn't hanging about, and I was caning mine the whole way back trying to keep up. Long story short, I knackered a couple if big end shells and it simply wasn't worth fixing

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                  I remember when Skoda were just Skoda, before VW took them over.

                  What do you call a Skoda covertible? A skip.

                  I can't remember any more but there were loads. It was a bit unfair I thought because my step dad had one of the pre-VW ones and it was a very comfy and surprisingly spacious car. One of the front wheels fell off, wishbone and strut and all, while going round a roundabout once, but that could happen to any car:oops:
                   
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                  For the cost of bits and simplicity of design, you could have just swapped the whole engine for about £100 and a few hours work for a man of your calibre.

                  Ooh, the Calibre, that was a nice car. A Cavalier SRI underneath, but in a more sporty shell. I always wanted one of those.
                   
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