Brexit -am I stupid or what

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    He smiles a lot and takes credit and turns up for photo ops mostly. He actually crashed a celebration recently (local sports club raising money) and the photographer instantly clocked what he was up to and made sure all the shots missed the MP out :)
    Ours is a true blue town...
     
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      That'll never happen here Pete.(Nice thought though:biggrin:)
      To quote my old Gran.."This country will stand for bricks getting broken over it's head and still do nowt about it".:old:

      I'm with @Fat Controller ..I shall vote for one last time and that's it,who's taking any notice anyway:dunno:...

      IF it turns out that Boris is forced (Legally) to go cap in hand back to the EU to ask for an extension I'm hoping he sticks to his guns and gives them the two fingered salute.

      I'm so annoyed with this fiasco I could crush a grape:mad:;)
       
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        I've kind of decided that I will only now vote on anything Brexit related, so if the SNP and Jeremy are gracious enough to allow us a general election, I will vote Tory or possibly Farage's bunch.

        But once the Brexit thing is dead in the water, none of the sods, of any colour, will get my vote again.
         
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          That about sums my position up to be fair @pete.

          We pay our taxes, we abide by the laws and in return we are supposed to be able to vote to have our wishes carried out by the people we elect to represent us. Clearly the back end of that deal has failed, so I have to ask myself what is the point of paying into the pot - - the whole thing is looking more and more like a Ponzi scheme every day.
           
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            Those turncoats in the Commons have tied Boris’ hands and feet and put a noose around his neck. Shame.....Boris was not my choice but he does have charismatic quality about him to put a smile on our faces

            My crystal ball
            Boris will resign.
            Horror of horrors JC ...not Jesus Christ.....will become PM
            JC will vote for the same bill Theresa May offered
            The UK will be lumbered with socialist policies that will just about bankrupt us
             
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              Circulating on Twitter - interesting....

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              I’m not suggesting that you are a racist, far from it. It’s just a phrase (or something like) that I repeatedly heard in the run-up to the referendum. That said, if you don’t think that racism is an issue in this country, then with respect, you’re in denial. Even our beloved Boris doesn’t appear to be above it.
               
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              ......but there is the perception that leavers are the cowboys in black hats and the remainers are the good guys in white hats!
              The perception too that leavers did not know what they were voting for yet the remainers did
              The perception that oldies voted for brexit because they are selfish and self interested .....truth is the oldies tend to vote with the best interests of their children and grandchildren in mind.
               
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                I didn't say that racism isn't an issue in this country, because it is clearly an issue - and bluntly, that racism runs both ways (if you haven't seen some of the things that David Lammy says on social media, you really should); it is also extremely over-used as an excuse or a counter-argument when people have simply ran out of proper answers - for example, I myself was called racist because I criticised Gina Miller for taking the government to court again; the fact that I also criticised John Major (so white he is almost blue) meant nothing. When the racist allegation is thrown around where it does not apply, it weakens the cause of those who are genuinely on the receiving end of racism, and that is a very sad situation.

                I have no idea where the phrase originated from (nor do I care really) but it should not be used as a brush to tar everyone who voted leave with.
                 
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                  Take a look at some of the footage circulating online where remainers are threatening people with physical violence, chasing them down the street with weapons, ganging up on them in the street, battering old men when Trump visited - - gentler, kinder politics my rosy-red arse.
                   
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                    I think his chickens have come home to roost. Basically sacking those in his party that didn’t tow the line, is a bit rich. If he and his Merry men had towed the line, then possibly Mays deal might have got through. I said it long ago, that this ‘lot’ (parliament) weren’t capable of sorting this whole sorry mess, and I still think the only way to sort it is with another, more specific, referendum. The problem has always been interpretations of Brexit. As for what options should be on that ballot paper, I’m really not bothered, as I just want all this to be done with. I probably wouldn’t even vote, because I’m sick of it. All I would say, is that division is only ever bad, which is self evident.
                     
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                      Jo Cox?
                       
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                      As must be well known by now. I hold NO political loyalties. However. Back in 2016 the British public were given the vote.

                      To stay in the EU or to leave. Result. LEAVE. Here, I have to admire Mrs. May. She voted to stay in the EU. Then as PM she IMO honoured her position and represented the people. I have to say. Her giving away to tears outside number 10. I really felt for her. She'd battled against not just the EU members but also fearfully at times with her own government.

                      The other evening. I logged into You Yube and watch and listened to the leader of the house. Jacob Rees-Mogg. OK, at one time I considered him to be a bit of a pompous whatever. Listening carefully I was convinced otherwise. OK. JRM is another Etonian. So was David Cameron, Boris and myself. ( I promise to explain later). So vatious highly educated men have been voted into parliament by the public.

                      Listening to and watching JRM, he delivered his address in a rally great manner. Even John Bercow remained silent. I felt that JRM hit the nail on the head.

                      He constantly remind everyone that. MP's are there by the grace of the PUBLIC. Basically, they are advocats of the common man.

                      The public voted....OUT. Now the SERVANTS have revolted against the voters bur also against their own party.

                      "2016 The vote was LEAVE. 2019 We are still here. WHY?
                       
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                        Ah, I was waiting for that one to get trotted out - her death was an absolute travesty, and in a court of law (if we are still to believe in a civilised society) it was proven/decided that the individual that carried out that act was suffering from mental illness.

                        What of the Brexit voter beaten to death following the result - Brexiteer died after 'EU Referendum row' with Remain supporter neighbour - just because he is not a public figure, does not diminish the crime. I think we need to accept that there are nutters in this world, and those nutters are just as likely to have voted leave as they are to have voted remain; and just because they exist, it does not mean that we should be going around tarring everyone with the same brush.

                        The current stance, particularly from the current Labour leadership, is simply to cause trouble. They don't actually know what they are causing trouble for half the time, and if you watched Emily Thornberry on Question Time the other night, you will have seen that they are so confused that they are going to protest/fight against their own policy on Brexit - even Fiona Bruce had to laugh it was so ridiculous.

                        As for a second referendum solving the problem, it won't - Jo Swinson has already stated, live on TV that she (and presumably her party) will not accept the result of a second referendum if that result was leave. Labour have essentially done the same (can't remember the guys name, but he did so in an interview on the BBC within the last week or so, as did Thornberry with her stance on QT this week). You cannot simply keep having referendums until you get the answer you agree with - that, is not democracy, no matter how it is painted.

                        Bear in mind, the only reason we have ended up where our MP's have had the 'final say' on Brexit is thanks to Gina Miller and her original court case - this was the main cause for this whole sorry mess.

                        The really sad thing is that remain activists cannot see the damage that they are doing - especially the so called Antifa groups who are meting out violence and damage wherever they go. They are simply hardening the views of those who voted leave, to the point that those who wanted to leave with a deal now want out at all costs, and out now. I would have preferred a deal, but I do not want to be tied to the EU one moment longer than is necessary - the behaviour from their own MEP's for a starter for ten (Guy Verhofstadt being one of the worst) is utterly abhorrent.

                        Oh, and as I am such a horrid racist, you will be surprised to know that I am also furious about the treatment of migrants in Calais - I recently had a remain activist admit to me that the French authorities are burning their tents and beating them up. These are migrants into the EU, that are in a supposed safe country, but the reality is that it is anything but safe - hell, they even beat their own citizens in the street almost every weekend because they dare to disagree with Macron and his increasing EU cosiness. All going on whilst our politicians give them £1bn a month of OUR money so they can fanny around to protect their own gravy train.

                        We voted leave, and if we are prevented from doing so by our elected MP's, then democracy is finished.
                         
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