Canna's on the move

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    Mmmmmmmmmm. Harry, I don't think I'll moon to much around in that thread.:D:heehee::WINK1::rolleyespink:
     
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    I'm still waiting for the delivery of my Canna seeds but took delivery today of 5 Canna plants, from Harts Cannas Nursery, Ambassadour, Richard Wallace, Durban, Pretoria, Musifolia Grande as a back up [actually more like impatience while I wait for the seeds.:D:heehee:] Anyway, I've potted them up and and added them to the overspill Jungle in my Kitchen.:what::D
     
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      How big are your new plants Armandii? Are they in leaf? I assumed that buying cannas in the dormant season they would supply them as tubers?
       
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      Hi John, I'd actually ordered them in two parts but they arrived in one well wrapped parcel!!!
      All of them, except Musifolia Grande, are in leaf form. They are quite substantial plants although Pretoria was a division. They did say that Pretoria was in short supply so I guess that was the reason for the divison, but it is a big division:D Musifolia had been cut down to 6" stems, but all look really healthy. This idiot is getting excited in anticipation of new year!!!!:D:loll::loll::heehee:
       
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      I thought a visual idea of what size and form the Cannas arrived in, John, would be better and more descriptive than the last post of mine. So this is them immediately after potting:

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      Canna Durban

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      Canna Pretoria

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      Canna Richard Wallace

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      Canna Ambassadour

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      Canna Musifolia Grande. The only one without leaf, but a huge Rhizome.

      They were all packed carefully in lots of soft cardboard, soft tissue paper, having loads of roots which were in wet compost and tied plastic bag over them.
       
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        I'm a bit surprised they are supplied in leaf at this time of the year, its probably ok for you Armandii, you have that massive kitchen:), but I'm sure some would struggle if only a cold greenhouse.

        They look like nice plants though.

        I'm guessing you need to get in early to get what you want, but can you state a delivery date that you would like?
         
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        Hi Pete, to be quite honest with you, I was surprised myself to find they were in leaf. I had expected just Rhizomes. As regarding asking for specific delivery dates I don't know, I can't see why they would object though if, say, you asked for delivery in January, February or March, there are quite a few firms that will do that.

        In my case, I looked on the site list of Cannas and luckily the varieties I wanted were shown as in stock......so I ordered them.:D
         
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          Impressive range Armandii . Please keep us updated on the progress of your many canna varieties :dbgrtmb: I will be growing three types this year - that's about the max I can raise in the house - and still remain married !
           
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          Hi Harry, I only got interested in Cannas a couple of years ago when I bought King Humbert. Then I found Ian Cooke's book "The Gardener's Guide to Growing Cannas" in a second hand book shop and that got me really interested. So I've ended up with 11 varieties after doing a bit of research and trying to get as a wide band of them in foliage and flower colour that I could without going too mad.:D
          But that leaves me with a big problem, I am no expert and therefore I will need all the help and advice I can get.:scratch::DOH: There are much more experienced, natural, and knowledgeable gardeners than I on GC, especially in the Canna field. So I will be most grateful for any advice, tricks, benefit of experience that could help me, call it a joint venture!!!:D:heehee:

          Can I ask, Harry, what varieties you're growing?:D
           
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          I am definitely not an expert on Canna growing Armandii ! This year was my first try at growing from seed. It all seemed to start from PeterS post - now a sticky. I gleaned all my cultural info from GC mainly following the advice of Kristen and Pete, so it was monkey see, monkey do ! The varieties I am growing next year are - C.Tropicana from this years rhizomes , C. Altensteinii from seed kindly donated by Bilbo and C.Marabout from seed. I think that is the max I can handle with the space I have !
          I think a new Canna thread would be a good idea for the 2012 season as this one is getting a little large. I would like to know more on the attributes of the different varieties , which to be honest I find confusing :scratch:
           
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          Yes, I think I'm in the same category of "Monkey see, Monkey do", Harry.:heehee::D I do find the different names of the same variety a bit confusing and frustrating, You're growing "Tropicana" which is also known as Phasion and Durban [the last of which I'm growing}.:dunno::scratch: Alstensteinii is listed as growing to around 8', red/orange flowers, and evergreen blue'green leaves, while Marabout is supposed to grow to 4' to 6', orange flowers, while the leaf is a variegation of blue, green, burgundy, black and bronze.........both sound really good.:thumbsup::D

          Mine will all be in 18" pots in groups around the garden, although I haven't a clue what will go in what groups. The Musifolia though will go in a really big pot as it should be a big 'un, we'll see!!

          General opinion seems to be to add slow release fertiliser when potting on, so I'll do that to about 6 varieties and regularly liquid feed the rest. I'm just wondering if anyone would recommend the use of Tomato Feed when the Canna are in bud???:scratch:
           
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          You Guys are probably overtaking me now.
          I've never bought large amounts of plants, but I do know the name "tropicana" has become a bit overused.
          So beware, you will probably get good plants either way.

          As to feeding, if you want good flowers on the hybrids tomato fertiliser is the way to go in my opinion.
          I think it would be difficult to overfeed a canna in full growth.

          I once grew a cultivar as a marginal in my pond, but cant remember for the life of me which one it was now.
          Might try one or two this coming year.
           
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            Thanks for the advice about the Tomato Feed, Pete.:thumbsup: That's what Harry and I are needing the advice of experience. I'm reading up on Cannas but you know as well as I do that reading up doesn't match real experience. I think the biggest thing for me will be keeping to a strict regular feeding and watering regime which seems to be all important. Interesting about not being really able to overfeed a Canna in full growth, Pete!!:D

            I not sure exactly why I''ve gone for a collection of Cannas:scratch: Maybe it's because I've been dragged out of retirement for the next 18 months or so, and I've treated myself as a compensation!!!:heehee::D

            I don't think I could ever specialise in one species as there's too much to tempt you in the less exotic area of gardening.

            There has been talk of Cannas used as marginal plants in this thread, Pete, if you decide to do it then let us know how you get on. I'll try to keep everyone up to date on my successes or failures with Cannas in the coming year anyway.
             
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            I suspect that in the growing season you can't really overfeed them. For two or thre months I fed mine every day along with my Brugmansias. I never got the height that I really wanted with Canna tuerckheimii - hardly 5 feet excluding the pot, but I would put that down to the cold weather. The culms got really massive and it never suffered from overfeeding.

            Feeding every day was pretty laborious, so I got lazy and made up one can of 10x strength feed and fed a small amount to each pot then topped them up with the hose which I presumed would dilute it to 1x strength. Pretty rough and ready.

            Nothing complained - except my Echium wildpretii, which looked really good when it was outside but just turned to mush after I put it inside the house as winter approached, even though it never got remotely frosted. Echium pininana managed to do OK under the same circumstances.
             
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              Thanks for that, Pete. I already have a watering/feeding regime for my less exotic pots once I'm into the feeling of Spring and Summer. But that is usually only once or twice a weekl depending on the weather. Cannas, I guess, will be a different thing!!! I have 5 large watering cans which I fill up in lots and refill as necessary from the Water Butts, and a different set of two for the Green House watering in an attempt to be organised.:WINK1:

              Echiums, Pete? How about posting a few pics of those???:D
               
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