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Clematis 'Nelly Moser' issue

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    Hello all

    As part of the new planting in September there were 5 Clematis. 2 x Nelly Moser, 1 x Daniel Deronda, 1 x Rouge Cardinal and one I am unsure of, at the moment.

    All but one, a Nelly Moser seem to be fine, however, the Nelly Moser has lost all it leaves which were looking very droopy.

    The plant still has its seed pods which are standing proud and the stems look a dark red colour and are firm.

    We have had quite a bit of rain recently in the Doncaster area so I am not sure if it is just too much rain, however, as I said above, the other Clematis seem fine.

    The soil in the bed where this Clematis is situated is still quite moist and is a dark loam with relatively good drainage.

    Any suggestions as to what the issue may be?

    I will try to post a photo soon as I have an issue with my phone at the moment.

    Thanks in advance

    Kevin
     
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      It may well be Clematis wilt @Kevin Cowans then again we are getting to the back end of the [email protected] will give you a more informative idea as what the problem could be.:thumbsup:
       
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        Hello @lolimac

        Thanks for the reply.

        I did read up on Clematis Wilt but it does not seem to match anything that I found.

        As you said it is the back end of the season and everything I read said that Clematis Wilt happens around June time, although I am probably wrong on that.

        Thanks in advance

        Kevin
         
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          Hello all

          I have managed to get a photo of the Nelly Moser which is below:

          2019-10-08 15.59.21.jpg

          Hopefully the photo will help to identify the issue.

          Thanks in advance

          Kevin
           
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          I've had that happen Kevin, don't give up on it. What I have done in the past is cut it back hard and watch for the shoots coming in spring.
           
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            Though for plants like that which need to push up new shoot in spring, you need to be very wary of slugs as they will eat off the new shoots before you even see them, partic as there are no other plants around the Nelly to distract them,

            Suggest you put a 100 -150mm ring of slug copper tape around the base and in early spring add some extra slug deterrent media of your choice.
             
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              Hello all

              Thanks for the advice.

              I managed to get a good look at the base of the stem at soil level this morning which I have not been able to do previously as the section of border where this Clematis is, is quite wide and due to the heavy rains recently I could not get a close look as I did not want to walk on the wet soil.

              Anyway, there is no discolouration of the stems anywhere, especially near the soil level.

              Apart from the leaves drooping and dropping everything looks fine.

              Should I still cut the stem down to ground level or leave it and see how it goes?

              Also, just for completion, the unknown Clematis I mentioned in the original post seems to be a Montana.

              Thanks in advance

              Kevin
               
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                Some folk will say down to the ground, some , leave it as it is ...

                Given that its not badly diseased etc ,we would say to cut it back to say about a foot or so high, perhaps just below that bottom flower head on yours.

                This gives it chance to put out new growth higher up as well as from below the soil.

                Again a small wrap of copper tape around the cane and stem a few inches above the soil well stop the slugs eating the new buds.

                A Montana is a different beastie, very vigorous climber that you just try and trim to the large area it wants to cover. Often needs its long growth tying in to where you want it to go.

                Gives a grand display in spring but can look a bit straggley the rest of the year if you do not have other plants around.
                 
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                  Hello @ricky101

                  Thanks for the reply and the advice.

                  Regarding the Montana, it is being used to cover approximately four 6' fences and will be trained on a wire framework.

                  Looking forward to Spring :)

                  Thanks

                  Kevin
                   
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                    Hi Kevin, you'll not believe this, but you're supposed to chop newly-planted (not Montana) Clematis right down to encourage bushy growth at the base :biggrin: Very few can bring themselves to do it! The idea is to have multiple stems which can be fanned out over it's support, with a good display of flowers, instead of one lonely stem with a cluster of flowers at the top. So Nature's taken the decision for you! Don't worry about them being too wet...Clematis hate to get dry at the roots.
                    Good point about the slugs and snails. You'll need to keep a sharp eye on the new shoots in February/March.
                     
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                      Hello @noisette47

                      I did read about the cutting down of newly planted Clematis on the RHS website when I was researching the plants that have been planted.

                      What I read is that I should cut down newly planted Clematis in the first Spring after planting, so, next March to approximately 12" from the ground just above a pair of buds, is that correct?

                      Also, regarding the Montana, any tips on how to untangle it as it became tangled when in the pot.

                      Thanks in advance

                      Kevin
                       
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                      being an absolute Numpty here but are they not the seed plumes?
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                      Hello @Jenny namaste

                      Yes, they are the seed blooms.

                      The picture was mainly for the stems which seem fine.

                      It was the leaves that were an issue as they all went droopy and fell off, however, the seed heads are still present and all look fine.

                      Hopefully, the above makes sense :)

                      Thanks

                      Kevin
                       
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                      Yes it does @kevin - I should read posts properly shouldn't I ...:doh:
                       
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                      Untangling Clematis stems....how long have you got?:heehee: They wrap their leaf stems around whatever they come across, so you need to gently unwind them, one by one. Or wait till the leaves fall and snip the leaf stems with scissors or secateurs. Then fan out the main stems and tie them in to their support.
                       
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