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Council Tenants

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by shiney, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. shiney

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    Most of you should have been informed of the changes that will be coming in from next April. These are not yet definite but are expected to be compulsory from April 2017 onwards.

    The government brought in the Housing and Planning Act 2016 which will affect the type of tenancy the Council offers and how much rent you pay.

    New tenants will be offered fixed term tenancies. Current tenants with secure tenancies will not be affected by the changes.

    Rent:-
    The Act requires Council tenants with higher income to pay a higher rent. Outside of London the higher income level is likely to be defined as a household earning more than £31,000 (only tenants and partners are taken into account and not income from children).
    The increase in rent will be 15p rent for every extra pound earned over the threshold.

    Those on Universal Credit or Housing Benefit will not be affected.

    Local Councils are likely to be holding public meetings about it.
     
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      Aren't some of the provisions also applicable to Housing Associations (and other form of social housing such as Housing Trusts?), albeit on a voluntary basis?
       
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      I've no idea. :noidea: I'm only quoting from the Council publicity.
       
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      No eyebrows going up from me - when a tenant croaks it - the tenancy passes on automatically to a member of their family.

      Result....tenants earning a good wack are taking up social housing - when they could easily afford to buy - which defeats the object of the whole exercise.

      Also a few more quid for the empty Council coffers.
       
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      From what I've read, and it's not too clear, the secure tenancy will still pass to the spouse or partner. I can't see anywhere that they mention whether the secure tenancy can pass to a child. This wouldn't stop the tenancy passing to a child but it may be a fixed term tenancy (with or without renewal options). With some of the people that I've helped I found that the secure tenancy can only pass on once.
       
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        I've know people losing council houses when the rent book holder dies.
        Mostly when not married.

        After speaking to a neighbour the other day, I know I would struggle to pay the council rent as it stands these days.
        Although I do see the point that any household with £31,000 coming in, is a bit much to be using council housing.
         
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          That is highly subjective to be honest - £31,000 coming in when you live in somewhere where private rents are 'sensible', then yes I completely agree; however, when rent on a fairly basic two bedroom house is £1200+ a month, that puts a slightly different slant on things?
           
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            Is there anywhere where private rents are sensible??

            The buy to rent brigade have really jumped on that bandwagon.
             
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              Not just that. It's over simplistic for other reasons.

              I earn very slightly more that 31k. Yet in our house were a bit skint. That's at least partly because my salary is the only income into our household apart from the pittance that is family allowance or whatever it's called.

              But I'm also slightly skint because there are no decent jobs near me. I have to drive quite far every day, using a lot of fuel over a year.

              I know there are people on a similar salary to me who are even worse off. They pay higher rent/mortgage and have greater commuting expenses. Equally there are people on a similar income to me living alone and working locally so they are far better off.

              Once again, the wisdom of government strikes again. Policy decisions made by people who are simply not equipped to understand the real world. To the policy makers, commuting costs and living costs simply don't compute. In their world all travel and accommodation is just put down to expenses.
               
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                To try and be fair to the government, they're attempting to alleviate the problem of lack of funds for local authorities due to higher earners paying lower rents. Whether the level they have set as the border line is correct is subjective - as you have explained. Unfortunately, there isn't sufficient social housing, nor sufficient reasonably paid jobs in certain areas for it to work properly, but it's a start.
                 
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                  It is a start, yes I agree, and long may it continue. I still say that they are missing a trick though - if they did it right, they could have a housing system that almost paid for itself, but at the least would save vast amounts in welfare payments.
                   
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                    On the other side of the coin, in another region, a 3 bedroom house can average at half that amount!

                    So, to base it purely on income is coming at it from the wrong measure; regional differences can make a huge difference! Perhaps two measures need to be accounted for, on that basis: income and regional rented averages?
                     
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                      Not only that, they need to increase housing stock before increasing rent prices.. the cheeky mares, so many on the lists everywhere
                       
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                        I think they have started on that as London is not included in the £31,000 level.
                         
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                          London is rarely "included" in matters of the UK on *any* level! :doh: Even the Mayor wanted London to remain a member of the EU *after* Brexit :heehee:
                           
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