Doomed rose?

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  1. Jonn

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    I'm fairly new to gardening and am trying to decide what to do with a climbing rose that hadn't been pruned for a few years and new growth from previous years had been tied together. It produced a lot of roses throughout last summer, all along one side but black spot took hold while the garden was neglected and I think it also has canker (attached image).

    After pruning back to bare branches this year I think it has had it. The trunks look kind of rotten at the bottom (attached image) and there is only a little new growth off the end of one stem at the top of the middle trunk.

    Should I cut the whole thing down or maybe leave the middle trunk to see what happens?

    Thanks

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    This is what I would do with that rose.

    Saw it through where I've put the line, effectively pruning it down to about 1 foot. Remove all stones and other impediments around the base, feed with general fertilizer and mulch with spent or new compost.
    Wait and see.

    Alternative. Dig it up, replenish soil and plant something better, but not a rose or Pyracantha.

    Choice is yours there.. best of luck.
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      If the bark is coming way from the stem at the base then it's an ex rose.
      I lost one the other year: it flowered wonderfully and two months later was dead with the bark coming away from the stem; a bit like a glove coming off.
       
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      Thanks for that. I will have to have a closer look at the bottom of the trunk. I would like to plant something else anyway but it will take time to decide what, so I will probably cut it back to your line, but maybe cut the middle one a bit higher where the trunk is a bit greener and there is a little bit of growth, and maybe I will get a few roses before I plant something else.
       
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      I fear you are right :sad: but I won't miss the thorns :smile:
       
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      When you cut the trunk, see if there is clear green on the inside of the stem, which would indicate there's life left in it. If it's all gone brown it's dead, however, by severe pruning, and you appear to have buried the graft union, it's possible it may reshoot from below ground. A sucker might appear too.

      Some people get sentimental about their roses and want to try hard to save them. For the less sentimental, we can take a more realistic view [i.e. get something else]..

      Otherwise what Nigel said.
       
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        As you can see from the cut trunks they are not green but there was some growth. I noticed that the cut was quite damp inside especially on the one on the right. I've left the middle trunk which grows along the perimeter wall and is supported by a wire fixed along the whole length of the wall to see what happens. Thanks for the help :smile:

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        Good morning @Jonn there's nothing wrong with getting sentimental over a rose some Roses hold lots of memories over time but unfortunately this Rose which has served you over many years has had its day,you could always replace it with another Rose of your choosing ,enjoy your day:smile:
         
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        It's not a matter of sentimentality. I won't have time to plant anything else there this year, and before I pruned it all back, there were multiple growths all along the stem which I got rid of due to black spot last year which wasn't treated. It is still shooting at the ends of the remaining branch so I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say it's had it's day?
         
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        This reminds me of a climbing ŕose which I had thought was doomed . But I revived mine with advice from an old timer. :old:
        I even had the grit around the base .:yawn:

        I was advised to clear out the grit and about an inch of the soil. Add a banana skin (after eating the middle bit ) and replace the soil with fresh compost. I thought it a fools errend , but after away months new growth came from the ground and I've done the banana trick to all my roses to give them a boost.
        :wow: Who would have thought it?
        Sometimes the old ways still work best!!!!!:yes:
         
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          I thought it was dead too but why not do what @Purple Streaks said and let us know what happens?
           
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          Any plant ,shrub ,tree is worth a bit of tender loving care :old:
          Also such a lot of advice from the:oldlady: (old ones)

          really does work .

          Dad used to say you can't kill a rose until it decides itself to kick the dust!!!!!
           
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          Ah, the ancient ritual of biting the bucket....you've got to love the mixed metaphors:old:
           
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            Exactly flounder my thoughts too :dbgrtmb:
             
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            Thanks I have a banana every morning so will definitely try the banana trick - great believer in the old ways are best :) (usually). I have made a mixture of tea tree oil and baking soda to water the soil with in the hope that it will kill any black spot fungus from last year and will remove an inch of soil and replace with some new compost.
             
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