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E10 Petrol and cars made before 2011

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  1. JR

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    If England lose it will be Boris Johnsons fault.. Although Germany must be careful defending because at last we have one player that can score a penalty ;)
    If Brexit fails it will be Boris Johnsons fault.
    If Covid can't be conquered it will be Boris and if anyone's car fouls up on E10 they will blame Boris.
     
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      Poor Boris has a lot to answer to:rolleyespink:
       
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        Dont believe everything that you read on the internet. Much lke Germany, we've had E10 for years. I never drain any of my machinery for winter, and they always start first time when needed. The only problems I've seen with it first hand is that some older, large capacity, high compression carburetted engines sometimes need their carburettors recalibrating, and in extreme cases lower compression pistons. One or two engines, including some lawn mowers need different gasket material on the intake side. A coule of weeks ago, I pulled apart a 30 year old Honda GC02 engine. That was already sorted for E10, and I would hazard a guess that it would cope with higher ratios of ethanol as well.

        For those that are not aware, UK petrol companies have been blending ethanol in fuel for years. It was limited to 5% by legislation.

        As regards E10. I can produce a photo that sows it on sale in 1923...so its hardly new.

        One more thing: E15 will be on sale soon. You read it here first!:biggrin:
         
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          1923! Amazing, that has surprised me. I've read that E10 has around 10% ethanol whereas current fuel has 5% max.
          Your information is helpful and it appears we don't need to worry too much.
           
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            Off topic, England will score first and then stop playing ,then Germany will score 3 in the last 15min.
             
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              Sounds like a good match. For the German side it usually goes like this:

              1. Passing the ball for like 15 minutes in the hopes of getting the perfect opening
              2. Some enemy team just randomly kicking the ball into our goal.
              3. Shock and awe, but hey there is still a lot of time
              4. Panicking because there is so little time left
              5. Evening out the the game at the last possible chance they get after switching in all players that can be switched
              6. Somehow getting through the extra 30 minutes into the penalty shootout
              7. Hope for the best
              8. Profit
               
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                The penalty shootout lol
                We'll get one goal from Kane and that's about it :smile:
                 
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                  Only just saw this thread, so thought I would chuck my oar in.... there is likely to be little to no noticeable effect from E10 versus the E5 that we are currently using, even those that are being declared as being incompatible - - but (isn't there always a but...) this is a longer term game.. The increased ethanol will cause rubber hoses, gaskets, seals and diaphragms to degrade faster than it normally would. Whilst this will take time, and not all rubber will be affected the same, the risk does remain particularly for older cars.

                  It is up to us to keep an eye on fuel lines (even on lawn mowers and strimmers) as a fuel hose letting go and spraying atomised fuel all over a hot engine is a bad thing and has already been the cause of car fires with cars running E5. The vast majority of these could have been avoided with regular inspections.

                  Fuel with ethanol in it does not store as well as fuel without, so it is not a good idea to leave a lot of fuel in lawn mower tanks or jerry cans over winter - unless you add a fuel stabiliser to the fuel, or remove the ethanol from the fuel.

                  Two stroke owners have a further problem - two stroke oil will not mix as well with the fuel containing ethanol; it will still mix, but not as well, so make sure that you stir/shake the fuel before adding it to your lawnmower/strimmer/chainsaw.

                  To remove the ethanol (only advisable for small quantities of fuel!!) take a 2-litre empty bottle, fill it with water and add food colouring of any colour, mix well to give the water an even colour. Put the fuel (up to 10 litres) in a fuel safe container that also has a tap (brewing bucket is a good example) add all of the water, shake, securely lid the container and leave overnight - - at least 12 hours. The water will sit underneath the fuel, so gently draw the water off to leave only fuel in the container - you might get a dribble of fuel out with it, but don't worry. Dispose of this safely at your local waste site where they recycle oils and vehicle fluids.

                  The remaining fuel will have lost some octane, but that shouldn't really matter to things like chainsaws and lawnmowers, but you can add it back in if you wish by adding a splash of octane booster. Always store fuel safely, and NEVER in the house!
                   
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                    Isn't that ethanol ?
                     
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                    Not always, no - one that gets used by classic car owners is the lead additive (I have seen the Castrol one mentioned, but I'm sure there are others); for our uses on garden equipment, I wouldn't be adding it as I really doubt it would be needed.
                     
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                      I bought a small bottle of Fuel Enhancer for my mower.
                      Any ideas what that is?
                       
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                      It is likely a cleaner to stop fuel varnishing the carb and fuel lines, but it could also boost octane slightly as a side benefit; naptha (lighter fluid to you and me) is one that is a common component in a lot of these stabilisers/boosters/cleaners.
                       
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                        Whilst I've 'gone back' to a petrol motor, the wifes 2LTR Ford runs on dirty diesel. I guess there's not much that can be done to improve that fuel.
                        It's fitted with a DPF and EGR valve to recycle some of the harmful elements but it's road tax is high.
                        Daughter has an electric car which i like. The downside there is that it has to go into the main stealer for every service and they take full advantage with their charges.
                        Electric cars are so expensive for the average motorist, hopefully they'll get less so in time.
                         
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                          Servicing of electric vehicles is going to be a significant issue that seems to be (currently) slipping under the radar. They will require the manufacturers software to be able to do the vast majority of things on the car and whilst they will be compelled to share some of that, they will almost certainly not share all of it - - - the bits they do share will cost the smaller, non-dealer garages an absolute fortune.

                          Home servicing is pretty much dead as even doing the brakes will involve being very close to significant electrical currents/voltages that a home mechanic simply doesn't have the knowledge, equipment or environment to cope with. There is, however, already a shortage of suitably trained engineers to work on electric vehicles that are in use and that is only going to get worse.

                          Ironically, there is also already cases where those electric vehicles are being charged by diesel generators which basically defeats the entire purpose. We've pushed too hard on this one.
                           
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                            @Fat Controller
                            Home servicing died at least two decades ago, long before electric vehicles even started to appear.

                            Cars nowadays have a lot more electronic devices in board. Starting from engine control, several sensors and all the way up to modern entertainment systems. So the use of modern diagnostic tools is not a special problem of EVs.

                            But I guess the number of people who change a whole engine block or disassembled and reassembled a transmission system in their own garage have never been that high within the last 30 years, so it shouldn't make much of a difference for 99.8% of the users (Edit: I'm not talking oldtimer cars, but your everyday regular cars).
                             
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