Feeding Advice

Discussion in 'Compost, Fertilisers & Recycling' started by Soiled, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. Soiled

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    Hi all, is there a general feed for plants, bushes, clamatis, honeysuckle, and wisteria, if so what is best. Thanks.
     
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    Organic feed, Chicken Pellets. Non organic, Growmore.:dbgrtmb:
     
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    Well, I use Miracle Gro which I find does the job for general feeding of shrubs, roses, herbaceous plants in the border, plants in pots etc. I do use Tomato Feed fertiliser when my roses and Paeonies are in bloom as they are hungry plants. But really there is no magical "one size fits all" fertiliser for all plants and you need to do a bit of research on your plants to find out their different needs. The more you know the more you realise that you need to know more:D:heehee:
     
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    If the soil is good I'm not sure you need to bother feeding any of those.
    Feeding of established garden plants is a bit of a modern idea brought about by chemical companies and gardening programmes.

    In short it makes money.:WINK1:

    If in containers, that's a different story.
     
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    So, Pete, are you saying that plants don`t deplete the soil of nutrients, or that nutrients are self replenishing?:scratch:
     
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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Ever bothered to feed an oak tree in the forest?

    Things like wisteria have massive root systems, watering in a bit of chicken poo, is a bit like pi***ng in the ocean.
     
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      This could be interesting:D:heehee:
       
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      But we are not talking about oak trees in forests or peeing in oceans. We are talking about a few domestic plants in a domestic garden. Now I can appreciate you have no need to feed your plants with all the Bovine Manure you spout. But let us help those less fortunate than you.:dbgrtmb:
       
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      I would agree with Pete - I never feed any of my plants in the border, but I do feed all my plants in pots. Now veg is a different matter.

      It depends on your soil. I am on clay which has a lot of nutrients in it. However I believe that if you have a sandy soil the nutrients get washed away by the rain and it will pay to feed.

      Dai - I think if you grow veg you do deplete the soil as you remove large quantities of produce and recycle it down the sewer.

      But if you grow ornamentals, all you need to do is to cut them down in autumn (or spring) and feed them back to the border in composted form. That way you never take anything out of the ground - its all recycled back. I think that is Pete's point about a tree in a forest. When the tree dies it falls where it grew, decays and all the goodness is returned to the soil.
       
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        Usually, I agree with you two Peters, but in this case I'm not so sure. My garden is in the cottage style, on sandy soil, has been established for 30 years, but due to my insane love of plants is stuffed to the brim. My plants stand shoulder to shoulder and are tightly packed in the borders and to make it worse underneath them are thousands, and I do mean thousands, of various species of bulbs waiting to come into life and compete with the rest of the garden.
        So, in my view, without regular feeding, dressings of garden and commercial compost my plants would not be able to get the nutrients they need to look as good as they do. This year I have stuck to a regular, scheduled feeding of the borders, roses and paeonies, and I can see the difference. I do agree that, in the natural environment, nature does recycle decomposing material into nutrients which feeds the wild plants in that environment. But a garden is not a natural environment. We plant things that come from all over the globe and are not native to this country, we grow ornamental plants intensively, wanting our gardens to be in flower production for all the year around. We couldn't do that with regular feeding.:D
         
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          sprinkle some fish/blood/bonemeal, then add some Miracle Gro pellets and on top of that, add an inch of peat free compost mixed with well rotted farmyard manure (50/50 mix)

          I use this combination in early spring, then every 4 weeks until late summer

          when flowers are getting ready to bloom, or are in bloom, I also use Miracle Gro powder (the blue stuff) ... that you mix with water

          in late autumn, I mulch with 2 inches of well rotted farmyard manure

          If I were to only use one fertilizer, I'd most probably use Miracle Gro pellets

          on palms, palmbooster every 4 weeks is recomended during the growing season

          bought a few tubs of Miracle Gro from Tesco (they are on special and cost just over £2) ... I will use this on the lawn after the last cut just before winter ... have never used it on grass before but should be ok as it's slow release and is 17-9-11
           
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          I've been recommended to use seaweed fertiliser by someone I bought some Rhodos off, am thinking of trying that for the rest of the plants as well.
           
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          Armandii - I wouldn't disagree with you.

          Sandy soil is very poor at holding nutrients - just look at the Sahara desert. So you will need to feed. Actually I would have thought that a soil conditioner like manure would be as important if not more important.

          However I am on clay, which is full of minerals. So I don't see any need to feed that.
           
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          I think it all comes down to, as you say PeterS, the type of soil in your garden, what you're growing, how you grow i.e. just a few plants here and there or insanely intensively like me, and also down to personal experience and choice.:D
          I, as you know, garden on sand with 300' foot or more underneath me. But over the years I have put over 180 - 190 tons of top soil over it, countless dressing of garden and commercial compost to lessen the hungriness of the soil, but I haven't helped my situation because the better results I got, the more I packed plants in:D I can have prolonged heavy rain for several days and after it's gone I can walk on the lawn and see that my borders are looking as though there's only been a light shower, I kid you not:sunny:

          But I've put plants into my sandy soil that really are not meant for such a situation and they romped away due, I believe, from the support of regular feeding. I have had a lot of failures too, but that's gardening!! But, as I've said previously, my garden is not a natural environment, it's one where plants are in situations and locations where, in nature, they wouldn't be and left to their own devices would not survive. I'm sure that other gardeners with different soils than me have their own thoughts and practices on feeding due to experience, successes and disasters.

          What disturbs me is that some gardeners think that one fertiliser will be suitable for their purposes or may use a fertiliser that is not suitable for the specific use they're contemplating.. That may be down to inexperience, lack of knowledge, and/or the commercial marketing of plant feeds. But you do get gardeners "blindly" buying plant feeds without thinking of their plants specific needs and what the nitrogen, phosphate, potash and trace elements are. It's no good, though, reading the labels if you ain't got a clue as to what they mean, so I guess it's a good thing Forums like GC exist because gardeners can ask the questions they need to and get the different opposing arguments - and then get totally confused:D:heehee:
           
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            Need to go back a bit to soiled original post.

            Admittedly "plants" are mentioned.

            "Bushes, Clematis, Honeysuckle and Wisteria", are also mentioned, as far as I'm concerned this group can take care of its self in most circumstances once established.

            The type of "plants", Soiled is referring to is not clear, and I agree if grown on a mass scale some feeding is definitely of benefit to perhaps perrenials and half hardy annuals.

            So no need to get out your pram Dai.:dbgrtmb:
             
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