Grade 2 Listed building

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  1. Jack McHammocklashing

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    She lives in WALES !

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      I think the Solicitors have fallen asleep along with the Estate Agent!!!

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      Tell them both you are having second thoughts, that i'll wake them up.

      Not wanting to put you off Val, but have you been told about the owners' responsibility for a listed building?
       
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      I was also thinking about whether Gemini should not only be enquiring about future liabilities, but ensuring her surveyor (when carrying out the necessary survey) has checked that no unauthorised alterations have been carried out by previous owners/occupiers that could potentially require Gemini to reinstate at her own expense.

      All these additional legal/professional costs in respect of this property should have been reflected in the asking price.
       
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        Val,have you got a gas fire in the lounge or is it an open fire etc?There was an article on at lunch time on the Jeremy Vine show talking about chimney fires that are happening in Devon and Somerset due to people not getting their chimneys swept and some of them suing wood that is green and not seasoned as a way of saving money due to the state of the economy,so if you do have one of thsoe open fires I should check with the current owners to see if they have a certificate from thier local sweep to say the chimney has been swept,or if not see about getting the job done yourself as and when you move in.:)

        If none of this applies to your new cottage then please disregard this info:D
         
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        Good point Scrunge, also insist on a surveyor who is used to dealing with historic buildings and not a new build surveyor.

        Have I told you about the Cob Building & the "Dream Cottage" surveyor?
         
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        Yes, I know about this but only because I have found out for myself!!! The Estate Agent didn't even know it was a listed building, the owner who doesn't live there (it is rented out at the moment) kept very quiet about it.
        To be honest I have felt like backing out on principal, but the cottage is just what I have been looking for and I really don't want to lose my buyer!!!!

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        I understand that Val, but you don't want to get Tree'd over on the deal, you could always put your stuff into storage (except for the parrot) & rent for a bit.

        I'd go back to them & complain that they didn't tell you about it being listed & that you are putting in a lower offer plus you will be persuing them for additional costs caused by their deliberate attempt at fraud by omission.
         
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        I trust they haven't also kept as quiet about the nature of the tenancy agreement, and you will get possession of the property when you expect to.
         
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        Excellent point Scrungee
        Val Could own the property but not move in due to a sitting tennant

        No one wants to put Gemini off, her dream cottage,

        Only she is getting more advice from people who know on here , rather than from the people she is paying money for, she should not need to ask they should tell her

        The only problem in, getting the specialist surveyors and agents is the increased costs, though even those costs would be minimal compared to the cost involved in re enstating the property

        Mum had a 200yr old listed building a coach house,
        One day we came home to find the wood worm in the roof was not as strong as the roof itself, and it had collapsed
        Only a modern tiled roof in the same style was not allowed,
        It added to the expense, that instead of scrapping the old tiles, they had to be reclaimed by hand, and others sourced to make up the difference, which took many man hours labour (COST)

        Historic Scotland kindly chucked in £16k but we had to find the other £45k ourselves

        We also had to replace the RONES (gutters) in CAST IRON, which had to be sourced and ten times the price of plastic

        When we came to sell the house later, the dick head surveyor said all the guttering would have to be replaced with modern plastic if we wanted to sell or reduce the price so the new owner could do it YEAH RIGHT


        Sorry riding your thread Gemini, but you need to be well aware WHICH I am sure you are
        Ziggy is your friend and so are we

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        Val, this is a very important point. I was speaking, only the other day, to someone who was buying a listed building and they wanted to do a few minor things to it. They asked for permission and the inspector came round to have a look. He then told them that there has been some unauthorised alterations to the place that needed to be put back to original. The previous owner had put in double glazing and put on a new roof! The estimate for the work was £45,000 so they told the vendor to reduce the price by £50,000 or they would pull out (the extra £5,000 was for contingencies).

        The tenancy agreement is also another major point. If it's anything other than a short fixed term tenancy then I weould be concerned. Even then your solicitor should make the sale subject to vacant possession. If there is a tenant on short term tenancy your solicitor should insist that the documents won't even start to be drawn up until he/she has had sight of the Section 21 notice (usually giving two months notice) to the tenant. Even with the notice having been served the tenant may refuse to leave and there will need to be the issue of a Possession Order.

        The Estate Agent should have been aware of the Listed status and your solicitor should be doing all the above as well as asking for assurance that any work carried out by the owner (or previous owners) has had written permission. These are all fairly standard precautions and should have been in place. If the Estate Agent is local then he has no excuse for not being aware of the situation. Even if he isn't local, any reasonably competent agent would have checked about Listed status.
         
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        No, I can't, I believe I mentioned on another thread that NO landlord welcomes dogs or indeed smokers into their property which I quite understand.

        I absolutely know that!!!!! :grouphug:


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          Hmm, smoking dogs? You need a caravan.
           
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