LATEST MOAN FROM YOU AND ME - 2021

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    Didn't you get the text to click here to order your GovBubble? :heehee:

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      Don't have a mobile! :dunno: Don't do new fangled things. :old:
       
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      That's all right, I'll pm my address and you can send me two folded birthday cards with the £200 note torn in half in two separate envelopes to get your SpiralcordGovBubble SeniorPlus edition first instalment going.

      No bother at all, happy to help! :dbgrtmb:
       
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        They're in the post but I don't like tearing money so I've put a £100 note in each. :blue thumb:
         
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          Sounds like my Allotment Association - they hand deliver letters to plot holders advising that they need to bring their plots up to spec. I suggested that they could simply send an email and received a dirty look.
           
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            Do all plot holders have email? Do they have letterboxes at their plots? :heehee:

            On a more serious note, how many plot holders don't look after their plots properly? I only know two allotments locally (friends have plots there) and all the plots look in fantastic condition.
             
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              Quite a few plots are untended on our site even though there are 60 on the waiting list. People stop looking after them for all sorts of reasons and have to be given fair notice to leave. Some people want to keep them in case their circumstances change and can drag out the eviction for months or years. My next door plot became untended over last winter so me and another neighbour have been chopping down the weeds, for our benefit to stop seeds being blown across.

              Most of the organising committee are old and don't do email or social media. Only recently a younger person has got involved and is helping bring communications into the 21st century. They still have to allow for the oldies, accepting payments by cheque and snail mail.
               
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                  Agree, we should be looking more into tapping other sources but we should always have a backup supply.

                  Some of the large tomato growers in the UK have built their glasshouses close to a factory, mainly a chemical factory. There is one over in your neck of the woods, "John Baarda Ltd". Their setup involves, "TerraNitrogen" this has reduced the C02 levels from the chemical factory. Also, all the heat by products the factory generates, which would of ended up in the atmosphere is enough to supply the glasshouses with heat and electricity. This setup means they can grow toms 12 months a year at a competitive price for the supermarkets, which results in less toms being imported.

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                      @clanless I guess it's a legal issue. After all you wouldn't receive a court summons by email would you..
                      A letter hand delivered with a copy retained by the allotment manager is probably the right way to do it in the eyes of the Law.
                      Some people get quite shirty when told they're evicted.
                       
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                        Oooh - I would guess about half a dozen every inspection. I can see that people are getting stressed out about it - most don't like being told off about their plot.

                        I wouldn't have thought so - only in rare circumstances do you need a paper document - when we purchased this bungalow for example everything was done via e-mail except for signing the land registry document. When I was in work - we would enter into fairly sizeable contracts via a letter attached to an e-mail - followed up in the post with a paper copy of the letter.

                        They appear to have made a rod for their own backs and don't like anyone who very dares :nonofinger: to offer an alternative view. From the AGM yesterday there is a worrying lack of understanding about where liability rests in an unincorporated allotment association.
                         
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                          @clanless we are currently changing to a Cooperative Society so that each member's liability is limited to their shareholding, which is peanuts. In the past someone threatened to take the committee to court and every single member would have had to stump up lawyers fees, potentially £1,000s and maybe pay court costs and compensation. Guidance is from the NAS. Don't take a chance, get them to change.
                           
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                            @clanless my suggestion came to mind because we did have one very difficult eviction last year, and because it was going to court the solicitor advised that warning letters should be delivered. But i guess it's fair to say that for most resonsble plot holders an e mail would no doubt suffice to get them active. It's when you get someone stealing or damaging the site that things get out of hand.
                             
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                              Since Covid there's been a fairly high turnover of plot holders - and IMHO not all of the new Members look entirely 'savoury' - if you know what I mean. I suspect the the words 'legal aid' are waiting to be shouted from the sideline.

                              There's been a marked increase in theft (veg) and people leaving the gate wide open so anyone can walk in and get up to mischief.

                              This is what I'm afraid of. There is no control as to who gets a plot - if a vacancy arises then the next person on the list is given the plot.

                              I tried to explain the situation around the risks of not being incorporated but the response was that they didn't know (or care it seems ) what I was talking about. If I go back and suggest we look at limiting liability via a cooperative society - I will probably receive a good stiff ignoring - I don't think that they are willing to change.

                              I'm really starting to wonder whether this is all worth it for a couple of lb's of Brussels sprouts. I'll be making a firm decision on the way forward shortly.
                               
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