My Cottage Garden,..glengarry23.

@Victoria ,..ops you are right,..a senior moment lol,..the 'Grumpy Crew' look miserable,.. not a sense of being happy little fluffies from any of them.

At the gate leading to where my cottage is located there is a Dog Rose Bush.


I have always admired it when in full bloom.








So i took a cutting which rooted and i planted the cutting at the end of the garden,..i was greatly surprised when the first blooms appeared as they were nothing like the original blooms,..ok cuttings do tend to produce a bloom unlike the parent plant but not such a complete change as below,..the bush has spread left and right,..and high,..i knew this would happen to a certain degree when looking at the parent bush so that's why i planted it at the end of the garden,..however this cutting has surpassed its parent in all directions as below.















I do know there is a Wild Rose similar to the present bloom,..that's about all of the mystery but its certainly a keeper.

Philip

 

@glengarry23 Nice rose; however I have to disagree with the following

Cuttings are clones of the stock plant and the flowers should be the same. This is the basis of rose bush and fruit tree production; in fact most of the nursery trade relies on cuttings coming true to the parent plant.

 

@NigelJ ,..i was hoping for someone with more Rose Bush experience than myself to suggest as to the mystery of the images bloomed from the cutting of the 'Dog Rose',..i have grown plants since 1950 and am still mystified at the unexpected results.

Most rose bushes purchased are cuttings grafted to a different Root Stock so one wouldn't take a cutting from the Root Stock but you would take cutting from what was grafted to it.

I have grown roses from seed,..from Grafts,..from pieces of the Root Stock,..and from cuttings,..rose growers tend to grow roses from a cutting grafted to a root stock,..meaning there are two different roses involved as the cutting tends to be what one wants to have blooming while the Root Stock tends to be a different but hardy root from something else.

The specialists will produce a new rose by way of crossing two rose bushes by self pollination and then from the seed produced,..tried this but its a very long progress from start to producing a bloom.

I have taken and rooted cuttings that produced a bloom different to the host plant,..in particular where the cutting was itself taken and grown from a cutting,..i have had two different coloured blooms produced on the same bush,..one resembled the host the other was a Sport which was a peach bloom whereas the other blooms alongside were pink.

Roses that reverted to the Root Stock Rose completely leaving no sign of the grafted blooms.

Hybrid Teas,..Grandifloras and a few Floribundas may not produce propagated plants identical to the parent plant including loss of hardiness and diseases as well.

Its possible that the Dog Rose i took the cutting from was itself a cutting grafted to a Root Stock and its the Root Stock Rose that grew,..however i wasn't convinced about this myself and was hoping for someone to throw some light on the mystery.

Philip

 

Philip. I read your comment and was alittle bit confused. Nothing wrong my friend. Then I read Nigel's reply.
As Nigel rightly says. A cutting (a vegative part of a plant) is in fact a method of cloning. Producing like for like. In relation to roses. I doubt very much if what once a practice of grafting is still used. Mostly nowadays,'Budding' is used. This as you are well familiar with is taking a scion, abud with a small portion of the surrounding stem and grafting this onto a root stock. Any growth other than the budded/grafted material is torn off. I particularly say'torn off' This applies also to rose suckers. Simply cutting them off will leave enough for more growth to be produced.

To actually graft a rose etc would entail, selecting a growing stem and at any distance from the root stock,effecting the graft, cutting off growth beyond the graft. This sometimes is a prctice with standard roses, where more than one variety is desired.

So. Seedlings will produce a lucky dip.
Seedling produced from hand pollinated plants should give you a high percentage of identicals.
Common budding. Will give you a clone of the plant from which the bud was taken.
Grafting will give you that which you have grafted.

Generally speaking. Anything unlike what you expected, trace it back to it's roots.

 

@glengarry23

I know I sowed some seed (Probably Rosa sericea) about 5 years ago and no flowers yet.

 

We may at times question the price when buying a rose, but it takes several years to produce a new one.

 

Ah the one known as the Silky Rose,..some years ago i took cuttings from a Victorian Estate of a white rose,..it wasn't tagged,..when it matured and bloomed i hoped i had Rosa sericea,..no such luck.

Yours should have bloomed as 5 years makes me suspect something is amiss.

Philip

 

@Mike Allen ,..hi Mike,..nearly every Rose Bush for sale in England and Ireland is the Stem of one rose Grafted to the Rootstock of,.. Rose ( Rosa ' Laxa ' ),..they do likewise in America but use different Rootstocks,..this is a very fast procedure and as Rose ( Rosa 'Laxa' ) is such a strong rose its a success nearly every time,..however growers like myself tend to go for,.. Own Root Roses,.. as its known to be a stronger rose,..mainly due to the Crown being a part of the upper growth and less chance of the Crown being damaged by bad weather whereas the rose attached or Grafted to a Rootstock of another can easier be damaged or contact disease where the two join,..most of my roses are Own Root though those given as presents over the years are Rootstock,..i keep approx 30 rose bushes but produce half as much again each year and try find homes for them,..some found there way to England and America.

Philip

 

I captured some images with the new camera which arrived two days ago from Amazon,..searched in My Pictures but took ages to find where they went,..forgetting that the new camera would not be set to sent the images to my usual folder,..finally found them in a file dated 2008.

As its almost Winter the rose below gives a different bloom towards the remainder of the blooming season.

Its usual bloom appearance Rose ( Rosa 'Reine des Violettes' )



Its Autumn and into Winter appearance.



A No ID Rose.



Still in bloom,..Cape Fuchsia 'Phygelius Funfare Orange '






Rose ( Rosa 'Ice Cream' )

 

Images captured in the past three days.

Rose ( Rosa 'Handel' ),..with its Winter appearance.



Rose ( Rosa 'Ice Cream' ) it doesn't change very much.



Rose ( Rosa 'Laurie's Golden Orange' ),..big change in Winter,..grown from seed and crossed,..not registered.



No Name,..grown from a seed,..no change in Winter appearance.


A No ID Rose,..from a cutting but the parent plant was not tagged.



First time ever to have a bird of prey visit the garden.






Philip

 

That looks like a Buzzard?

 

@Sheal ,..i never thought to find out what it was,..i am not too bad with most other birds but birds of prey i am hopeless with,..i will try to put a name to it,..i know there is one of its kind dwelling in the Church Steeple for years.

Another picture of it below,..when i spotted it i was about to open the back door to scare it off as the other birds were feeding just prior to this but as i was about to open the door i spotted a couple of Sparrows hiding between the big flowerpots,..if i scared them out of hiding they could well be food for the Prey.




Clematis cirrhosa 'Freckles',..really coming into full bloom now.





Some 'Hebe'.















Philip

 

@strongylodon is our bird expert. Strongy would you be kind enough to check the identity of the bird of prey in posts #55 and #57 please.

 

@Sheal ,..thanks for that heads up for @strongylodon ,..i had a look on the internet but could only come up with 'Buzzard' and they all look alike to me except for the big ones.

Philip

 

Although all birds and in fact all flora & fauna have a place in my heart. The raptors are special. The Peregrine especially.