No clue

I have sold them and I have grown them for 20 years or more, I was one of the first plantarea managers to put them on sale in Britain and those plants are NOT diseased.

 

you tell them

 

Me neither. I had built up quite a large collection before I heard about it. One of the effects (aside from the physical signs) of virus is that plants can flower earlier at a reduced height.

If that is not virused then I have thrown away some really healthy plants But you had the decency to make a definitive statement so I did a fair bit of research last night and so now I'll stick my neck out and say that the dark one IS virused.

@sharonr - I hope that you don't think that I'm trying to rain on your parade. That is not the case. Many new (and experienced) gardeners get sucked in by these beautiful plants at low prices and I was one of them. The point of a forum is to share our experiences, good or bad.
Several years ago when I started collecting Tricyrtis I got sucked in by this cultivar (Raspberry Mousse)...................


It turned out that it was not a new strain but just a virused form that was selected for propagation. The following year most of my collection was infected and I had to start again

 

Sorry, I meant to add the following to my last post;
Canna virus is not one virus but any one of five identified viruses. One of them, Bean Yellow Mosaic Virus not only affects Canna but also infects Gladioli and members of the Fabaceae family.

 

i know im a new gardner

i mean i know theirs some great gardners on here, but wow aga

1) NO i didn't think you was raining on my parade, i thought you was arrogant, and cold in your approach, do you ever read back what you've wrote OR HOW YOU WORD THINGS, before you post a reply, I think one little word from you would not of made your first post sound as harsh "as in" hi-hello-welcome e.c.t, you know the normally courtesy one do's, and i might not off been having these word with you now.

HOLD ON LIKE YOU I HAVE'NT FINISHED..????
2) NO i never thought you rained on my parade, i just thought you where rude with your comment "Quote" many new gardeners get SUCKED into buying these beautiful plants at low prices, who told you i brought it at a low price.

just so you know there is an old Asian man who has a plant/flower garden near where i live, apart from the common plants he has, every time i see something i like and it doesn't have a picture or name on it he can't tell you what the plant is, this why i ask question's, he also doesn't take good care of them, that's why half of them look like there on there last legs.
seeing is believing... but he know's how much each one is...

3) NO i didn't think you rained on my parade, when you assumed as you said "QUOTE" i had the decency to ask a definitive question (that wasn't definitive that was SARCASM.)

Now i have finish my rant (for now)

 

the leafs of the Canna's had just stated to open when i took the photos on my phone, i never new the name so i would "stop" and ask my elders on the street and ask them if they new what they where, some of the old people i think where a little startel when i'd approach them as they didn't know me from Adam, i had followed all their advice with no end, until somebody told me of this site.
where i got my answers real quickly, so thank you too all.

My Canna's both green and red leaf one's are doing fine, i'm 5'ft 4 and most are about eye level as me, give or take, the leaves are big, and they flower each year, as this if the 3rd year i have had them, every year i have new shoots coming up, from the same bulb which is massive, and i'm unsure and not comfortable at separating the bulb, i'v always grown them outside, and cover them in the winter.
Advice is always appreciated, and welcomed.

 

@sharonr - Sorry that we got off on the wrong foot - please accept my apology!

 

ok , i bet me and you will be good friend

 

LongK, something you may not know is ALL variegated plants have a virus. It is what gives them the variegation.

 

I did thanks, but I agree that it is not a widely known fact.
It also applies to Tulips and was behind the "Tulip mania" of the early 17th century which is often thought of as the worlds first speculative economic bubble. Tulip bulbs were being sold for upwards of ten times the annual salary of a skilled craftsman at the height of the madness and the phrase Tulip Mania is still used by some economists.

 

Not sure that is entirely true but I think I know where you are coming from.
eg. regarding cannas alone Cleopatra is not virused as far as I know.

 

Isn't that the old variegated or chimera debate As explained to me variegation is virus induced whereas chimeric plants arise from a genetic mutation?

 

I once collected a seedling sycamore, from a collection of them growing in the yard where I worked.
Now, not sure it was virused, as I grafted it onto a ordinary green sycamore growing on my allotment at the time, The top part is still varigated the rootstock still puts out green leaves.

To me, not very well up on viruses, it suggests the vareigation is not caused by a virus, its genetic, as if it was a virus it would have spead to the rootstock.

 

I'm not sure about all variegation being caused by viruses. Certainly in tulips it is and can be in other variegated flowers. I think variegation in foliage is often genetic especially with the regular variegation you often see in leaves for example cyclamen, holly, ivy Arum italicum and pulmonaria . Viruses, like the mosaic viruses, cause more irregular patterning. Eel worms can also cause streaking in the foliage.

There was also a hyacinth bubble in the Low Countries about a century later.

 

I never knew that! Stored that one away for future pub quizzes.